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Purgatoire eroïca

Titre original : Rengoku eroika
  • 1970
  • Not Rated
  • 1h 58min
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7,1/10
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Purgatoire eroïca (1970)
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Ajouter une intrigue dans votre langueAn engineer's wife returns home with a lost teenager. A man posing as her dad tries to get her back, causing the engineer to recall his youth as a revolutionary, obscured by dreamlike disrup... Tout lireAn engineer's wife returns home with a lost teenager. A man posing as her dad tries to get her back, causing the engineer to recall his youth as a revolutionary, obscured by dreamlike disruptions of time and space, fantasy and reality.An engineer's wife returns home with a lost teenager. A man posing as her dad tries to get her back, causing the engineer to recall his youth as a revolutionary, obscured by dreamlike disruptions of time and space, fantasy and reality.

  • Réalisation
    • Yoshishige Yoshida
  • Scénario
    • Masahiro Yamada
  • Casting principal
    • Mariko Okada
    • Kaizo Kamoda
    • Kazumi Tsutsui
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  • NOTE IMDb
    7,1/10
    894
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    • Réalisation
      • Yoshishige Yoshida
    • Scénario
      • Masahiro Yamada
    • Casting principal
      • Mariko Okada
      • Kaizo Kamoda
      • Kazumi Tsutsui
    • 9avis d'utilisateurs
    • 14avis des critiques
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    Rôles principaux23

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    Mariko Okada
    Mariko Okada
    • Nanako Shoda
    Kaizo Kamoda
    • Rikiya Shoda
    Kazumi Tsutsui
    • Ayu
    Naho Kimura
    • Jyoko Shinjo
    Kaneko Iwasaki
    Kaneko Iwasaki
    • Atsuko Saegusa
    Tôru Takeuchi
    • Yasuo Kiyoshi
    Yoshiaki Makita
    • Shu Taya
    Kakuya Saeki
    Ken'ichi Matsuno
    Gô Endô
    Takeshi Ôbayashi
    Tetsuo Morishita
    Tatsuo Kobayashi
    Katsuhiko Yokomitsu
    Hajime Shôji
    Suzuko Niwa
    Misao Fukaya
    Atsuko Tada
    • Réalisation
      • Yoshishige Yoshida
    • Scénario
      • Masahiro Yamada
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    6zetes

    Very difficult, pretty much impenetrable. But it is pretty.

    I felt much the same way about this one as I felt about the previous, more famous Yoshida film I watched last week, Eros + Massacre: it's gorgeous but maddeningly esoteric. As a result of its difficulty, I found the film fairly boring. This one is perhaps even more difficult than Eros + Massacre, but it's also 90 minutes shorter, so I'd rate them pretty much even. The film involves Communist revolutionaries in Japan, who were more or less outlawed in the country by the U.S. The film spans several time periods, including the distant future of 1980 (you can tell it's the future because of the theremin music). The main action begins in 1952, which was a turbulent year for student protests. One might just watch it for the visuals - what Yoshida does with space is absolutely astounding at times. The filmmaking often brings to mind Antononi and Resnais. But it's hard to watch it just for the visuals when you know Yoshida is trying to get at something and is so deadly serious about it.
    8fred3f

    Unusual, different and challenging

    From the very first frame, you know you are in for something different. The first thing that strikes you is the composition of the visuals. Each frame is an avant-garde work of art. If you turned off the sound and simply watched the visuals it would be worth the time.

    The plot is complex and enigmatic. Intentionally ambiguous, it deals with love, truth, reality and the validity of political action. Although it is enigmatic, it is not boring. Instead it stimulates thought on these subject. The ambiguity of the plot means that there are no easy answers and viewers must make up their own minds on these weighty subjects. It also means that the film can be viewed several times.

    This is an "art film". The director was a major figure in the Japanese new wave that started in the 60's and watching this film one is reminded of Alain Resnais, although this is not a copy of his style. The film is part of a trilogy of "sex and politics" films (Eros plus massacre; Heroic Purgatory ; Coup D'Etat).

    You will not like this if you are looking for an entertaining film, or a film with action, sex, comedy, great one liners and all those other things that can make a film entertaining. There is nothing wrong with such films but this one one of them. It is a film that will make you think.

    Finding a good copy of this or any of this director's other films can be difficult. This particular film can be found if you search the internet but it is usually found with very poor and incomprehensible subtitles. Recently someone has made a new subtitle translation but it is very hard to find. I wouldn't recommend the film without this new translation unless you are a Japanese speaker. Subtitles that begin "This morning I lift the floor There are 3 worms" should be avoided. Those that begin "This morning, there were three cockroaches," are good. But on the other hand just watching the visuals can be worth it.
    chaos-rampant

    New cinema

    Yoshida's films are luminous, ethereal creations, languid love affairs blown into abstract shape by memory and time. In the period when he studied/essayed the great Antonioni, he gave us films of simple, perhaps ponderous beauty. But with Eros+Massacre he finally unraveled. This is a companion piece to that labyrinth.

    I can't imagine what it must've been to see this back in 1970 with fresh eyes, what possibilities of cinema it may have opened. Thirty years later I can see that some of the things Yoshida foresaw panned out, others didn't. But this film is a maddening enigma that stands the test of that time passed, meaning it's not simply a cultural artifact of New Wave and the time when the revolutionary spirit was believed to be a force of change, but an entire evolutionary phase of cinema, New Wave before and after.

    If the movie works then as more than bold experiment, it's because these particular ephemeral struggles are abstracted, the lifetime they in turn inspire and disappoint is fragmented, past and future spinning out of original frameworks. What we get from this rearrangement is a snapshot of human beings caught into disparate planes of existence, wishing to see or connect or recognize meaning in what they do.

    In a brilliant scene that takes place in the 80's, one of many flash forwards into future or imaginary time, the cast of characters is assembled in an open space to hold court. Unable to properly remember a key event, they turn to a figure perched in a high chair holding a film camera to arbitrate. This surrogate filmmaker allows them back in time.

    We see how the two lovers met, we see where that love brought them. We get here a beautiful realization, that the man's greatest aspiration, who is a famous scientist, is to be a good husband to his wife. The camera looks back at Mariko Okada, standing a little back from her husband being interviewed, and we see her gracefully, stoically looking out a window. Yoshida's gentle tribute to the love of his life, his wife in real life.

    We see an entire life, shared by these two people, be trapped in moral dilemmas and modern anxieties, thought to be important at the time, lifechanging, with hindsight though nothing but trivial. We see them struggle to remember or forget. Yoshida gives us here a bitter last goodbye to the spirit of '68, showing us how the romance with the social struggle grew sour. These ideas having led nowhere, our only chance for happiness is with our other half that completes us. The one romance that matters.

    The film is the final moments of consciousness, memory looking back upon itself.
    8athanasiosze

    7.6/10. Recommended.

    This is a very good movie, maybe even great, i enjoyed every minute, it made me search in the web for possible explanations and for sure, i am going to watch other movies of this director, in the future.

    However, it's almost impossible to describe it, basically it's too enigmatic to understood it completely. But simultaneously, it was not that cryptic to made me lose my interest. There are many strange movies that annoyed me because they were more pretentious than enigmatic, playing it out like there were so many mysteries to solve, whereas, there was nothing under the surface. HEROIC PURGATORY is not like that. It constantly tease you like you are on the verge of deciphering it, even though, in the end, you're confused. But there is room for interpretation. Similar to David Lynch movies.

    This reminded me more of movies based on Alain Robbe-Grillet's scripts, besides, Lynch movies are subsequent. If i had to choose a movie similar to HEROIC PURGATORY, i would say L'Immortelle (Alain Robbe-Grillet) and Paris Belongs to Us (Jacques Rivette). HP is a combination of political drama/thriller and an arthouse drama/mystery. Dream-like atmosphere, rebels, spies, identity of the characters is changing, the same person could be a martyr or a traitor. And there is a girl who claims she's the daughter of this couple (both of them are the leading characters), a girl who's not entirely sure she exists at all.

    I loved this movie but it's definitely not for everyone. If you got intrigued by this description, you should watch it.
    7gavin6942

    Japanese Radicalism, Part Two

    An engineer's wife returns home with a lost teenager. A man posing as her dad tries to get her back, causing the engineer to recall his youth as a revolutionary, obscured by dreamlike disruptions of time and space, fantasy and reality.

    Although I did not care for "Eros" the way some people do, I actually liked this one a bit more. Yes, the picture is washed out and I wish it was not. But the clever angles and framing made me enjoy the film from the opening shots. It has a very science fiction feeling to it at times, and I wish it had more of that.

    As part of the "radicalism trilogy", I would say this is my favorite of the three. I am not crazy about Yoshishige Yoshida, but this film at least struck a bit of a cord with me.

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      The second movie in Yoshishige Yoshida's unofficial trilogy on Japanese radicalism. The other two titles are Eros + massacre (1969) and Coup d'état (1973).

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    • Date de sortie
      • 26 septembre 1970 (Japon)
    • Pays d’origine
      • Japon
    • Langue
      • Japonais
    • Aussi connu sous le nom de
      • Heroic Purgatory
    • Sociétés de production
      • Gendai Eigasha
      • Art Theatre Guild (ATG)
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    • Durée
      • 1h 58min(118 min)
    • Couleur
      • Black and White
    • Mixage
      • Mono
    • Rapport de forme
      • 1.33 : 1

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