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Le bouc

Titre original : Katzelmacher
  • 1969
  • Not Rated
  • 1h 28min
NOTE IMDb
6,8/10
3,2 k
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Hans Hirschmüller, Doris Mattes, Hanna Schygulla, Elga Sorbas, and Lilith Ungerer in Le bouc (1969)
Drama

Ajouter une intrigue dans votre langueJorgos, a migrant worker from Greece, joins a group of young people in Munich usually hanging around. This foreigner incites hostility and jealousy among them, and he is insulted as a "Commu... Tout lireJorgos, a migrant worker from Greece, joins a group of young people in Munich usually hanging around. This foreigner incites hostility and jealousy among them, and he is insulted as a "Communist" and "Greek dog". After having been attacked, Jorgos talks to Maria of his wish to re... Tout lireJorgos, a migrant worker from Greece, joins a group of young people in Munich usually hanging around. This foreigner incites hostility and jealousy among them, and he is insulted as a "Communist" and "Greek dog". After having been attacked, Jorgos talks to Maria of his wish to return home.

  • Réalisation
    • Rainer Werner Fassbinder
  • Scénario
    • Rainer Werner Fassbinder
  • Casting principal
    • Hanna Schygulla
    • Lilith Ungerer
    • Rudolf Waldemar Brem
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  • NOTE IMDb
    6,8/10
    3,2 k
    MA NOTE
    • Réalisation
      • Rainer Werner Fassbinder
    • Scénario
      • Rainer Werner Fassbinder
    • Casting principal
      • Hanna Schygulla
      • Lilith Ungerer
      • Rudolf Waldemar Brem
    • 13avis d'utilisateurs
    • 28avis des critiques
  • Voir les informations de production sur IMDbPro
  • Voir les informations de production sur IMDbPro
    • Récompenses
      • 8 victoires et 2 nominations au total

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    Hanna Schygulla
    Hanna Schygulla
    • Marie
    Lilith Ungerer
    Lilith Ungerer
    • Helga
    Rudolf Waldemar Brem
    Rudolf Waldemar Brem
    • Paul
    Elga Sorbas
    Elga Sorbas
    • Rosy
    Doris Mattes
    • Gunda
    Irm Hermann
    Irm Hermann
    • Elisabeth
    Peter Moland
    • Peter
    Hans Hirschmüller
    Hans Hirschmüller
    • Erich
    Harry Baer
    Harry Baer
    • Franz
    • (as Harry Bär)
    Hannes Gromball
    Hannes Gromball
    • Klaus
    • (as Hannes Grombal)
    Katrin Schaake
    Katrin Schaake
    • Frau im Restaurant
    Rainer Werner Fassbinder
    Rainer Werner Fassbinder
    • Jorgos
    • (non crédité)
    • Réalisation
      • Rainer Werner Fassbinder
    • Scénario
      • Rainer Werner Fassbinder
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    Avis des utilisateurs13

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    6christiangrall

    An interesting debut

    Even though Fassbinder made a few films before, I and other people generally regard 'Katzelmacher' as his true debut as it is the most recognized of his earliest works (similar to how Mean Streets is viewed among Scorsese's filmography). Regardless, it is without a doubt noticeable that we are dealing with a director's early work; IMO that works both in the film's favor as well as against it.

    There is a very strict and stiff approach to the filmmaking, the camera is almost always stationary, and certain scenes follow a specific "template" with regard to the cinematography in the respective sequences (i.e. Every scene that takes place in front of the house features the same exact perspective and mise en scene, etc). Also, the way Fassbinder utilizes his characters and actors is very "theatrical", sometimes characters almost become part of the mise en scene themselves, and there is always a "focus" on a specific character who is talking; rarely are two people's lines overlapping which, again, makes it very theatrical which is fitting, considering how this used to be a stage play.

    So far everything I said is both something I can praise and criticize which is odd, but makes this an interesting film to say the least.

    Where I do think the film becomes dated is in how it approaches its subject matter of xenophobia; in that regard I think Fassbinder's later works are just a lot better ('Ali: Fear Eats the Soul' for example). The Greek immigrant, played by Fassbinder himself, is somewhat of a tacky, cartoonish depiction of a foreigner in Germany and the character is very underdeveloped. I totally get that Fassbinder wanted to focus on the xenophobic Germans and their ugly behavior (even outside their racism), but again, 'Ali: Fear Eats the Soul' has proven that the overall topic can work better if you properly develop the characters and feature multiple views on the situation at hand, which leads to a better film overall.

    There is also a brief fight scene that is honestly embarassing to look at given how poorly the punches and kicks were choreographed, a minor scene in the overall film, but the fact that I am still thinking about it proves that it could have been done better... To summarize, the film contains enough interesting elements to be worth checking out today, but with regard to its content, I think Fassbinder did a better job later on in his (admittedly short) career. Out of the films of his that i have seen, this may be the weakest, but it is not terrible either.
    jandesimpson

    An early Fassbinder gem

    Of all the films that make me laugh out loud, "Katzelmacher is probably the blackest. How else to justify the enjoyable quality of a movie in which almost all the characters, if not human scum, act that way most of the time. Make no mistake, the young Fassbinder knew exactly what he was doing when he made this early brilliant piece. Every shot has been planned with a single mindedness that enhances the meaningfulness of his exploration of xenophobia and its causes in dissatisfaction with financial circumstances and unfulfilled human relationships. Some eight or so young people of mixed sex pass their time in mainly useless activities. When they are not having it off with one another, generally in a lacklustre way, or playing cards in the local café they spend the time lounging about in the street outside an apartment building, their apartness from each other expressed in the horizontal line they form as they lean against a railing generally staring towards the camera. The building behind is not a slum. It could be a middle class dwelling in any town. The white wall behind is punctuated by windows with flower boxes. This and other settings are never sordid, merely dull. Inside buildings, by seldom moving, the camera reflects the inertia of these aimless people. For the first third of the film nothing much happens. Then there is the sudden entry of a young Greek worker, played by Fassbinder himself, to ignite the latent xenophobic prejudices of the rest of the cast. They wind each other up by exaggerating all those qualities they feel the Greek might have, including being a rapist and worst of all a communist. The men need little to start them off once they learn from one who shares a lodging with the Greek that he has a bigger dick than the rest of them. For the women it is the unfounded rape allegation that sparks indignation and a call for vigilante violence. At the same time as being enormously funny, this part of the film in its depiction of xenophobia as the product of ignorance is hammered home with ferocious integrity. Perhaps the most original touch is the punctuation of the action at various points with brief sequences in which different pairs of characters stroll very slowly between the same two rows of garages to the accompaniment of a badly over-pedalled performance of a piano Schubert waltz. Their laconic comments have the function of a kind of Greek chorus, binding the film together in a curiously subtle way. If you are looking for an early Fassbinder gem, "Katzelmacher" is the one I would recommend.
    johnkibbles

    Fearless and brilliant

    Katzelmacher changed many people's lives when it came out. One has to wonder how exponential the effects were, but the waves that films like this make are usually much greater than most viewers can fathom. (For example, although very few people are familiar with John Cassavetes' Shadows, that film affected Martin Scorsese profoundly.)

    In the interesting documentary, I Don't Just Want You To Love Me, Fassbinder claims that he didn't move the camera much during this time for aesthetic reasons. His cinematographer (Dietrich Lohmann), however, says that aesthetics had little to do with it; they simply couldn't easily move the bulky camera and dolly, and they had no budget to rent better equipment.

    This film is part of an experimental avalanche, and it is amazing. The particular art house feel is a result of the times, and as Fassbinder moves on it is fascinating to contemplate how he gets his message across, using different styles. He was truly fearless, and all of his stuff is worth serious consideration.

    Katzelmacher becomes even more interesting after viewing his later work.
    10jromanbaker

    We belong here and no one else

    In this quietly scathing film from Fassbinder we have a portrait of a community and of a country. It happens to be West Germany, but could have been anywhere, and the words ' We belong here and no one else ' are as applicable today as they were back in 1969. The group are made up of men and women who talk to each other in front of a generic house with flowers on the window sills, and then they go to what they call a tavern and play cards and continue mouthing banalities that are so cruel and appalling that I wanted to close my ears to what I was hearing. The men when not talking abuse their women and this is portrayed as being casually ' normal, ' and one of the men is a male prostitute who kisses his male clients. Money and how to get it, criminally or otherwise dominates their conversations, if you can call them that. And they want the ' normality ' of this existence until a ' foreigner ' enters their community. Fassbinder himself plays this role and he is excellent. The foreigner is Greek and rumours start circulating such as his penis being bigger than the other men, and jealousy begins to enter this communal garden of evil. What happens next I will not reveal, but as in all Fassbinder the taking of money by fair means or foul is dominant. Personally I like Fassbinder's earlier films, and this I believe was close to the beginning of his incredible output. The near static nature and use of minimal sets has by some been put down to lack of money, but I believe he needed us, the viewers, to focus and the camera, almost unmoving, makes the content pitilessly accurate. I rate Fassbinder to be one of the handful of the greatest film directors and this film is in my opinion equal if not better than some of his last work. Sheer genius.
    7roneas

    I like most of RWF's work. In my opinion, 'Katzelmacher' is his best.

    This movie is hard to find. I haven't seen it in years but remember the overall thing. 'Katzelmacher'is the best RWF ever threw at us. I read a review here earlier, a long synopsis...very interesting. I recall certain scenes. My fav, the walking pairs, threesomes, etc. all shown walking down the same alley gossiping, at various points in the film. A beautiful piano waltz accompanies each group as they walk. It struck me that RWF filmed all of these scenes one after the other in keeping with the motto of their clan of actors, "Cheaper, Faster, Better.", or something like that. If you notice, there's the same car parked in the background, and it appears the scenes were all shot about the same time of day. "Next!" The Peer Raben waltz is so beautiful. I played it on guitar at my father's funeral. I believe Peer called it 'Valse Katzelmacher'. I could be wrong on that, too. No matter, it's a heartfelt piece of music! I fell in love with this group of actors. It was always, "I wonder who's gonna be in this one?" and then..."Oh, Wow, Great! So, 'Katzelmacher', an absolute must for Kine buffs.

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      Shot in nine days.
    • Crédits fous
      Es ist besser neue Fehler zu machen, als die alten bis zur allgemeinen Bewußtlosigkeit zu konstituieren (Yaak Karsunke)
    • Connexions
      Featured in Century of Cinema: 100 ans de cinéma: Le cinéma allemand par Edgar Reitz - La nuit des cinéastes (1995)

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    Détails

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    • Date de sortie
      • 22 novembre 1969 (Allemagne de l'Ouest)
    • Pays d’origine
      • Allemagne de l'Ouest
    • Langue
      • Allemand
    • Aussi connu sous le nom de
      • Katzelmacher
    • Lieux de tournage
      • Hildegardstraße, Lehel, Munich, Bavière, Allemagne(inn)
    • Société de production
      • Antiteater-X-Film
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    • Budget
      • 80 000 DEM (estimé)
    • Montant brut aux États-Unis et au Canada
      • 8 144 $US
    • Week-end de sortie aux États-Unis et au Canada
      • 11 623 $US
      • 16 févr. 2003
    • Montant brut mondial
      • 8 158 $US
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    Spécifications techniques

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    • Durée
      1 heure 28 minutes
    • Couleur
      • Black and White
    • Mixage
      • Mono
    • Rapport de forme
      • 1.37 : 1

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