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Si douces, si perverses

Titre original : Così dolce... così perversa
  • 1969
  • Tous publics
  • 1h 32min
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Jean-Louis Trintignant, Carroll Baker, and Erika Blanc in Si douces, si perverses (1969)
Regarder Complete Lenzi/Baker Giallo Collection Official Trailer
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HorreurMystèreThriller

Ajouter une intrigue dans votre langueAn unhappily married Parisian industrialist is pulled into a web of lust and deception after he seemingly rescues his new neighbor from her abusive boyfriend.An unhappily married Parisian industrialist is pulled into a web of lust and deception after he seemingly rescues his new neighbor from her abusive boyfriend.An unhappily married Parisian industrialist is pulled into a web of lust and deception after he seemingly rescues his new neighbor from her abusive boyfriend.

  • Réalisation
    • Umberto Lenzi
  • Scénario
    • Massimo D'Avak
    • Luciano Martino
    • Ernesto Gastaldi
  • Casting principal
    • Carroll Baker
    • Jean-Louis Trintignant
    • Erika Blanc
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  • NOTE IMDb
    6,0/10
    1,4 k
    MA NOTE
    • Réalisation
      • Umberto Lenzi
    • Scénario
      • Massimo D'Avak
      • Luciano Martino
      • Ernesto Gastaldi
    • Casting principal
      • Carroll Baker
      • Jean-Louis Trintignant
      • Erika Blanc
    • 26avis d'utilisateurs
    • 24avis des critiques
  • Voir les informations de production sur IMDbPro
  • Vidéos1

    Complete Lenzi/Baker Giallo Collection Official Trailer
    Trailer 3:12
    Complete Lenzi/Baker Giallo Collection Official Trailer

    Photos41

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    Rôles principaux18

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    Carroll Baker
    Carroll Baker
    • Nicole Perrier
    Jean-Louis Trintignant
    Jean-Louis Trintignant
    • Jean Reynaud
    • (as Jean Louis Trintignant)
    Erika Blanc
    Erika Blanc
    • Danielle Reynaud
    Horst Frank
    Horst Frank
    • Klaus
    Helga Liné
    Helga Liné
    • Helene Valmont
    Ermelinda De Felice
    • Hotel Proprietor
    Giovanni Di Benedetto
    • Monsieur Valmont
    • (as Gianni Di Benedetto)
    Irio Fantini
    • Party Guest
    Dario Michaelis
    • Police Commissioner
    Renato Pinciroli
    • Porter
    Gianni Pulone
    • Press Photographer
    Lucio Rama
    • Party Guest
    Paola Scalzi
    • Helene's Friend
    Luigi Sportelli
    • Party Guest
    Beryl Cunningham
    Beryl Cunningham
    • Black Stripper
    Marcello Bonini Olas
    • Party Guest
    • (non crédité)
    Anna Scalzi
    • Jean's Secretary
    • (non crédité)
    Alessandro Tedeschi
    • Uomo Della Commissione
    • (non crédité)
    • Réalisation
      • Umberto Lenzi
    • Scénario
      • Massimo D'Avak
      • Luciano Martino
      • Ernesto Gastaldi
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    lazarillo

    Great Giallo! (I think)

    This movie (not to be confused with another Carroll Baker vehicle "Kiss Me, Kill Me" aka "Baba Yagi--the Witch")is Umberto Lenzi's follow-up to his groundbreaking classic "Paranoia". It came out the same year as Dario Argento's "The Bird with Crystal Plumage" (the film which started the deluge of Italian gialli) and was produced by the Martino brothers, who later made a number of interesting giallo films (usually featuring Eugenio Martino's alluring mistress, Edwige Fenech). It stars Carroll Baker, demonstrating her acting chops here by playing a character that is the exact opposite of the naive victim she played in "Paranoia", and it also features two excellent, native European actors--Jean Loius Trintignant and the gorgeous Erica Blanc. The script is surprisingly well-written and full of suspense and genuine surprises. It is a clever variation on the classic French film "Diabolique" with a decadent, high-society husband (Tritignant), wife (Blanc), and mistress (Baker) all crossing and double-crossing each other. It cleverly plays with the viewers awareness of the earlier film before throwing in an unexpected curve.

    It also seems to be very well filmed. (It's hard to believe that years later Lenzi would be making nauseating and inept cannibal films like "Cannibal Ferox" or just plain inept American slasher movies like "Hitcher in the Dark"). I say seems, however, because this film is only available on second or third generation copies of Greek videotapes that are not only panned-and-scanned, but are very badly panned-and-scanned so that the characters are often halfway off the screen. Trying to appreciate this movie is like trying to appreciate a beautiful painting that has both sides cropped off and is covered with really murky cellophane (and burnt-in Greek subtitles). If Lenzi's crap movies like "Ferox", "Hitcher", and even, god help us all,"Eaten Alive", can get the star DVD treatment, why can't "Paranoia" or this little gem?

    Oh, but I almost forgot--despite the title there isn't too much perversity here. Baker has a lot more nude scenes in "Paranoia". There is some Blanc-related nudity (although, in my opinion, you can never have enough of that), but the lesbian relationship between the two of them is unfortunately only hinted at. Of course, it may just have been cropped out. . .
    8kannibalcorpsegrinder

    Fun and enjoyable thriller effort

    Trying to keep their marriage afloat, a man begins to be slowly drawn to his new upstairs neighbor and begins to woe her even though she claims to be in danger, and when it proves true as he becomes a stranger's target tries to get to the bottom of her stories to be able to save her.

    This was a rather solid and enjoyable outing. Among its best features comes from the strong build-up to the overall thriller aspects here. As this one generates some intriguing elements here with the strained, loveless marriage fueled by his unfaithfulness, the potential intrigue of a new relationship with the upstairs neighbor and the baggage she brings featuring the troubled relationship involving the strange man following him around creates an engaging setup. As everything gets equal timing to where his womanizing matters interfere with their marriage and their new burgeoning romance at the expense of his time around his wife gives everything a nice clarity. There's also quite a lot to like as the series of games that emerge from this setup. As the idea of the stranger following them is also planning to kill him by using her as bait in the orchestrated plan, there's a fine intrigue at play here with the change in loyalty involving who she's really playing for as the constant claims of his mistreatment towards her contradicting her claims of what she's doing it for. The exceptional twist about their game gets played off masterfully about the necessary steps to carry it out which is a logical plan to think through in how this thoughtfully changes everyone's allegiances when all the pieces get revealed. As this setup gives the film a lot to like regarding the sleaze elements on display, there's quite a lot to like with this one. There are some issues to be had here. One of the main problems is the somewhat sluggish first half that doesn't develop much in the way of a thriller setup. Since it focuses on his cheating and romancing the neighbor in such a lazy manner, this doesn't offer much in the way of excitement as there's nothing about why he does. Despite being incredibly attractive, there's nothing given here about why he goes for her as deep as he does as quickly after meeting, overall making this feel somewhat underwhelming. The other real issue is a somewhat problematic factor in the second half where the twists are revealed and the hysterical screaming doesn't seem realistic to the setup since everything's gone to plan but instead this just feels highly unrealistic about the purpose for it. While none of these are truly detrimental, they do lower this slightly.

    Rated Unrated/R: Nudity, Sex Scenes, Language and Mild Violence.
    8christopher-underwood

    Carroll Baker, excellent as ever

    Great title and if not particularly appropriate for the film, no matter, for this is a fine film. Carroll Baker, excellent as ever, although she does keep herself fairly well covered here and not always in the most stunning of outfits, Jean-Louis Trintignant does pretty much what he always does, well and Erika Blanc puts in a very strong performance. Solid directing by Lenzi, might have been stylish but pan and scan print ensures it does not appear so, and for the first half we have a rather fun, colourful and bright story of an extramarital affair. Things change, however, just as we begin to wonder if all is as it seems things change very much indeed. Hardly any blood or bare skin for that matter but a most involving tale, exceedingly well told, that certainly starts to flip about towards the end. Indeed until the very end!
    6Jeremy_Urquhart

    It is what it is.

    Wikipedia calls this a giallo film, which I don't entirely see. I guess giallo doesn't have to be horror, but still. I guess the closer it leans into giallo stuff, the better So Sweet...So Perverse. There are some really feverish and bizarre scenes that play out in a zone that's somewhere between dream and nightmare. When things get more focused on the drama (all around a scheme that involves murder and infidelity), it's appropriately silly and heightened. It doesn't push those things too far, to the point where the film starts becoming an accidental parody of itself, but it comes fairly close in any event.

    I came away from it not feeling hugely enthusiastic, but for some of its offbeat energy, a few sequences, and an undeniable sense of style, I also can't call it bad.
    dbdumonteil

    Diaboliques II

    Caroll Baker :from Elia Kazan and John Ford to Umberto Lanzi:what a fall!to be fair,you must underline she played opposite Nicholson -quite well- in the overlooked "ironweed" ;this is not the kind of movie Jean Louis Trintignant must be very proud of !two years after Claude Chabrol's "Les Biches " in which he slept with two bisexual women too.

    The first part recalls a poor man's Chabrol,depicting the luxury world of the bourgeoisie .Trintignant ,a very earnest thespian,seems ill at ease ,but the women often strip bare ,to the viewer's great enjoyment.

    The second part is Lenzi trying to make his own "Diaboliques" :the heroine 's first name is Nicole ,like in Clouzot's classic ;it's almost absolute plagiarism -except for the mediocre ending- ,including the "clues" Baker scatters to frighten her mate and to make her believe that her dear husband might possibly be still alive .

    Take Dario Argento's movies instead:their screenplays ,though influenced by Hitchcock ,are much more exciting and original.

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    • Anecdotes
      Second part of a trilogy also including Une folle envie d'aimer (1969) and Formule un (1970).
    • Gaffes
      Aerial shots of Jean skiing behind a boat show the stunt double jumping the wake, and skiing, one-handed, far to the side on the open water, switch back and forth between close-ups of Jean-Claude Trintingant, but in the close-ups he is always in the wake, both hands on grips, directly behind the boat.
    • Citations

      Black Stripper: Taking your clothes off isn't any problem, you know, when there's enough loot.

      Monsieur Valmont: They say she can be great when she's tight.

    • Connexions
      Featured in Yellow Fever: The Rise and Fall of the Giallo (2016)
    • Bandes originales
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      Sung by J. Vincent Edwards (as J. Vincent Edward)

      Music by Riz Ortolani

      Lyrics by Norman Newell

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    Détails

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    • Date de sortie
      • 26 février 1971 (France)
    • Pays d’origine
      • Italie
      • France
      • Allemagne de l'Ouest
    • Langue
      • Italien
    • Aussi connu sous le nom de
      • So Sweet... So Perverse
    • Lieux de tournage
      • Punta Ala, Castiglione della Pescaia, Grosseto, Tuscany, Italie(scene by the sea)
    • Sociétés de production
      • Cedic
      • Flora Film
      • Rapid Film
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    • Durée
      • 1h 32min(92 min)
    • Couleur
      • Color
    • Mixage
      • Mono
    • Rapport de forme
      • 2.35 : 1

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