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Les vaincus

Titre original : I vinti
  • 1953
  • Not Rated
  • 1h 53min
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6,5/10
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Les vaincus (1953)
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Ajouter une intrigue dans votre langueA trilogy of stories of well-off youths who commit murders. In the French episode, a group of high school students kill one of their colleagues for his money. In the Italian episode, a unive... Tout lireA trilogy of stories of well-off youths who commit murders. In the French episode, a group of high school students kill one of their colleagues for his money. In the Italian episode, a university student's involved in smuggling cigarettes. In the English episode, a lazy poet find... Tout lireA trilogy of stories of well-off youths who commit murders. In the French episode, a group of high school students kill one of their colleagues for his money. In the Italian episode, a university student's involved in smuggling cigarettes. In the English episode, a lazy poet finds the body of a woman on the downs, and tries to sell his story to the press.

  • Réalisation
    • Michelangelo Antonioni
  • Scénario
    • Michelangelo Antonioni
    • Suso Cecchi D'Amico
    • Diego Fabbri
  • Casting principal
    • Etchika Choureau
    • Jean-Pierre Mocky
    • Jacques Sempey
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    • Réalisation
      • Michelangelo Antonioni
    • Scénario
      • Michelangelo Antonioni
      • Suso Cecchi D'Amico
      • Diego Fabbri
    • Casting principal
      • Etchika Choureau
      • Jean-Pierre Mocky
      • Jacques Sempey
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    • 23avis des critiques
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    • Récompenses
      • 1 nomination au total

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    Etchika Choureau
    Etchika Choureau
    • Simone
    Jean-Pierre Mocky
    Jean-Pierre Mocky
    • Pierre
    Jacques Sempey
    Jacques Sempey
    • André
    • (as Jeacques Sempey)
    Henri Poirier
    Henri Poirier
    • Georges - il ragazzo invidioso
    • (as Henry Poirier)
    Annie Noël
    • Un'amica di Simone
    Guy De Meulan
    • Paul
    Franco Interlenghi
    Franco Interlenghi
    • Claudio
    Anna Maria Ferrero
    Anna Maria Ferrero
    • Marina
    Evi Maltagliati
    • La madre di Claudio
    Eduardo Ciannelli
    Eduardo Ciannelli
    • Il padre di Claudio
    Peter Reynolds
    Peter Reynolds
    • Aubrey Hallan
    Patrick Barr
    Patrick Barr
    • Ken Wharton
    Fay Compton
    Fay Compton
    • Mrs. Pinkerton
    Eileen Moore
    Eileen Moore
    • Sally - la fidanzato di Aubrey
    Armando Cereoli
    • Il portiere
    • (non crédité)
    Sergio Crosia
    • Il ragazzo che strofina il ghiaccio
    • (non crédité)
    Mario Feliciani
    Mario Feliciani
    • Il commissario
    • (non crédité)
    Charles Irvin
      • Réalisation
        • Michelangelo Antonioni
      • Scénario
        • Michelangelo Antonioni
        • Suso Cecchi D'Amico
        • Diego Fabbri
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      7elo-equipamentos

      A defiance of a youth generation through the Antonioni's look!!!

      The avant-garde director Antonioni introduces us with several real facts about the rising number of juvenile riots after WWII in many countries in Europe, emphasizing in this picture split in three episodes each one in a distinct country a warning about the earnest matter whom taken many young lives into prison due their eagerness to be famous for their mates, a scathing criticism of the master toward the youth fools.

      The first segment took place at France and concerning about jealous over a supposed guy to be rich who spread for all than is a millionaire, has been at your feet the most gorgeous girls, meanwhile his friends are poor, two of them set up a plan on the change to make a robbery followed by a murder.

      The next segment change to Italy about proud, a well-born guy which entered in the dangerous and profitable business as smuggler of boozes in order to make his own money, he was caught in the act, while tried to slip away committed a murder.

      The last one occurs in London, where a cocky and lazy guy looking for fame through his lousy poetry, realizing that didn't work out he devises a perfect murder of a woman, he own call the police and sell his odd story to a tabloid telling with own words each details over the murder and goes beyond when he needs more money to sustain his cost-extensive in the dog-track taking him in the edge of the abysm due his flippancy.

      Thanks for reading.

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      First watch: 2022 / Source: DVD / How many: 1 / Rating: 7.5.
      8mrtfilms

      Info required on English segment

      I recently saw this film for the first time, directed by Italian director Michelanegelo Antonioni in 1953, and have a number of questions that I hope forum members may be able to answer. The film has three stories of murder committed by juvenile delinquents, and includes one shot in England with English actors and locations. The main actors featured are Peter Reynolds, Patrick Barr, Fay Compton, Eileen Moore & Raymond Lovell and most of the half-hour of screenplay is shot on location in London.

      My first question concerns the sound track. The DVD copy I saw claims to have the original soundtrack, but it seems that the actor's words have been dubbed in after shooting - possibly a necessity in view of the large amount of exterior location footage. Raymond Lovell's "voice" is clearly not his - no hint of his easily recognizable lisp or slight accent. The other actor's would appear to be correct - as this was Lovell's last film role, perhaps he was deceased before the voice - overs had been completed? Also, does anybody know where the interior shots were filmed? There are a few, inside a newspaper office, in a court room and a house - were these filmed at a studio in the UK, and if so, which? I couldn't find any info about this at IMDb.

      For those who like location footage of London this is a must see. As well as shots at Piccadilly Circus and other central London locations, there is also an excellent shot taken at the junction of Carshalton Road with Sutton High Street - identifiable because the names of both roads can be easily read. Lots of buses, cars and motor vehicles can be seen in clear detail, as well as shots at (presumably) Piccadilly Circus underground station.

      Hopefully someone here will have some more information about the filming of the English segment of this film,
      7Bunuel1976

      I VINTI (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1953) ***

      This was Antonioni’s third film and arguably his rarest from the pre-AVVENTURA period. Taking an episodic structure, it is a sober treatment of juvenile delinquency – showing a widespread alienation affecting the youth of the post-war years in various European cities. The film has a rough, torn-from-the-headlines feel to it – even if the director’s perspective isn’t nearly as acute as in his later, more polished work (tending also towards preachiness, beginning from the opening montage).

      The French episode shows a gang of aimless youth from working-class families cold-bloodedly planning and carrying out the murder of a boastful bourgeois companion of theirs out of envy. The Italian part is more conventional, though featuring some nice noir-ish atmosphere in its tale of a petty smuggler who commits murder in panic, is hurt trying to escape from the police and dies on reaching his home (having in the meantime confessed to his girl). It stars Franco Interlenghi (who appeared in similar ‘denunciations’ by other Italian master film-makers, namely Vittorio De Sica’s SHOESHINE [1946] and Federico Fellini’s I VITELLONI [1953]) and Eduardo Ciannelli, back home after a distinguished Hollywood career as a character actor.

      The English segment – involving the discovery of a body in the park – rather serves as an interesting precursor to the much more celebrated (and abstract) BLOW-UP (1966), It emerges as the best episode, again revolving around a conceited character – only this time it’s he who turns to crime just for kicks (he relishes, even invites all the ensuing publicity). The victim is played by Fay Compton (from Orson Welles’ OTHELLO [1952]), while Patrick Barr (perhaps best-known as the retired blind judge in Pete Walker’s infamous HOUSE OF WHIPCORD [1974]) is the reporter hero.

      For the record, Antonioni was involved with four other feature-film compendiums throughout his career – LOVE IN THE CITY (1953), the little-seen I TRE VOLTI (1965), BEYOND THE CLOUDS (1995) and his swan-song EROS (2004; which I had the privilege of watching during the Venice Film Festival, with the director sitting just a few paces away from me!).
      8DICK STEEL

      A Nutshell Review: The Vanquished

      As introduced by Lorenzo Codelli, The Vanquished consists of 3 short stories taking place one each in Italy, France and England, which while not a successful commercial film of the time, it garnered strong reviews, cementing Michelangelo Antonioni as a director with a critical audience and not considered a commercial director. And I agreed that all the characters here have rather interesting backgrounds and stories, and the England segment has Blowup written all over it, serving as a precursor to one of Antonioni's more famous works.

      The movie begins quite documentary like, with a prologue touching on violence and the wayward youths of the post-WWII generation. Like outcasts who challenge conventional societal norms, the 3 stories with youth characters in pro/antagonist roles puts a fictional spin to the numerous articles and newsreels that set the tone of the movie.

      The first segment is set in France, and I felt was the strongest of the lot. With a myriad of characters, it tells of six friends embarking on a trip sans their parents' concerns, but as they set up their excursion, you can't help but feel that something's amiss, and character motivations are not quite what they seem. For example, why are two boys packing a pistol to bring along? And what's with the manipulative Simone (Etchika Choureau) up to, dangling a carrot in front of different boys, being probably one of the masterminds, and chief executioner of some hideous plan? How about the braggart Pierre, who flaunts his wealth around by lighting cigarettes with money bills, and boasting of a model girlfriend, but in fact has to borrow 100 francs? It's classic bluff against bluff with plenty of jealous and envious emotions thrown in for a good mix, together with survivor styled alliances being formed, that you just aren't too sure who's in cahoots with whom. It's a perfect short which builds on your anticipation, with a tinge of mystery and foretelling of a gruesome, inevitable crime to be committed, and the ending being the cherry on top.

      The Italian segment was unfortunately the blandest of the lot. It highlights how most families and parents especially being clueless to their offspring's disillusionment and life of demeanours. Here, the parents of Claudio (Franco Interlenghi) have absolutely no idea that their son is running a smuggling racket, and knows neither his friends, or his girlfriend, except for a photograph in his room. We then follow Claudio throughout the short, watching him seek out his girl Marina (Anna-Maria Ferrero), who's obviously from a well to do family, and uses the excuse of living the life of crime to build up capital so that he can elope with her to a place they can call their own. Not too interesting, though it did make me dig deep and wonder about the many crimes committed out of passion or using love as a crutch.

      I'm not sure but I felt the England segment had a wry humour filled thread with a faceless receptionist at The Daily Witness. Just when I thought I had heard the last from this person, it gets popped up again and I can't help but to chuckle. So far the movies in the retrospective have been rather grim and serious, but here's a sliver of wit that I didn't see coming, if expected at all, and so however short it was, I thought it opened one big refreshing window.

      I can't make out much of the tennis game here which lasted no longer than a few seconds, but the England segment draped itself with, as mentioned earlier, plenty of elements which would later be referenced, used and explored further in Blowup. While Blowup didn't feature the crime in progress, this short however provided some probable clues, and did the conventional through an enactment, a luxury which audiences in Blowup, or even Story of a Love Affair, never got to see, and can only imagine if and how it happened. Ken Whatton (Patrick Barr), a journalist of The Daily Witness doesn't provide any interesting insights in the movie but serves his function as a proxy for the more interesting Aubrey Hallan (Peter Reynolds) from Saffron who discovers a dead body, and calls him up to provide him the front page scoop material. The Aubrey character runs along the theme on exploring delusional youths, as he's a fame seeker who doesn't think twice in cutting corners to the path of glory and money, putting a lot of pride in himself in being able to analyze and make money from dog races.

      However, he's quite a tragic character in living his dream and not giving a hoot about being pragmatic, and holds onto his poetry to overcome his unrequited love for Sally. And in fact, most of the characters in all the shorts have dreams, and it is their inability to fulfill their dreams with concrete workable plans in a down to earth, hard/smart working manner, and in their wanting to make a name for themselves overnight, that they resort to unorthodox, risky behaviour with little responsibility or perhaps even the awareness of consequences in their actions.
      7TheLittleSongbird

      Juvenile murder

      Have said frequently about appreciating Michaelangelo Antonioni and his films. He is not one of my favourite directors, and he is more one of those "appreciate" rather than "love" directors for me, but a good number of his films are very good to wonderful (namely 'L'avventura', 'L'eclisse' and my favourite 'La Notte') with the odd disappointment here and there (i.e. 'Beyond the Clouds'). Completely understand his appeal and how influential he is.

      'I Vinti' (translated as 'The Vanquished') is not one of my favourite Antonioni films, it's not even among my favourites of his early pre-'L'avventura' period. This particular period actually was very interesting, although it was obvious that Antonioini had not yet settled and was finding his style, and saw some intriguing and very well done films (even found liking them very much) that did show his often explored themes and visual style. Even though his later films handled the themes more deeply and broadly, character development generally was clearer and had more emotional impact and staying power as well as a more refined visual style, his early period films were not devoid of these qualities (just that his later films did them better when his style was more settled), are accessible and are not to be dismissed. A very early effort, 'I Vinti' is not an exception and it is a shame that it is one of his rarest films, of the early period and of Antonioni's overall ouevre.

      What has been said above does apply with 'I Vinti', comprised of three different stories revolving around the same theme bookended by a prologue and ending. It is not one of my favourite Antonioni films, not even close, but of his (few) more episodic anthology-style films it is one of his better ones (infinitely better than 'Beyond the Clouds' at any rate). 'I Vinti' deals with its themes intriguingly always, with good intentions and quite insightfully at times, not always with depth or fully developed but at least it interested me and weren't go over the top on the flimsiness. It did slightly lack the same amount of emotional impact of other Antonioni films like 'La Notte', while certainly not leaving me cold or indifferent.

      Also did find the prologue a little on the preachy side while understanding and acknowledging what it was trying to say, it just could have handled it more subtly. At least though it didn't ramble and provoked thought.

      On the other hand, even if not among the most refined or vivid of Antonioni's films, 'I Vinti' is well made with lovely vivid scenery complemented by photography that may not be innovative but is still striking. The three stories are equally well done on their own and together on a structural level they didn't feel disjointed or cobelled together, plus they were accessible and easy to follow. The episodic structure doesn't come over as a hindrance and there is a documentary-style approach at times that was handled well. Antonioini's direction is never dull and felt in control, never got the sense that he was indifferent to the material or didn't know what to do with it.

      The writing is thought provoking and doesn't waffle. Of the three stories, my favourite is the French one, being the most atmospheric and harrowing with the widest mix of emotions. Even if motivations are not always clear. The English story is also very interesting, with a wry and knowing tone at times. Can understand why some may find the Italian story bland, being the most somewhat conventional one of the three, but really liked the noir-ish atmosphere both visually and narratively. Did not find myself irritated or bored by the characters and while there aren't any amazing performances exactly, the performances are still very good and everybody has a good understanding of their characters and situations.

      In conclusion, intriguing and well done if not one of Antonioni's best. 7/10

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        Ken Wharton: Some chap called Hallett says he's found the body of a murdered woman and he wants to sell us the corpse, two hundred quid.

        Co-editor: Cheap for a corpse.

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      • Date de sortie
        • 8 mars 1955 (Argentine)
      • Pays d’origine
        • Italie
        • France
      • Langues
        • Italien
        • Anglais
        • Français
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        • Londres, Angleterre, Royaume-Uni
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        • Société Générale de Cinématographie (S.G.C.)
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