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Nous, les vivants

Titre original : Noi vivi
  • 1942
  • Tous publics
  • 1h 34min
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Nous, les vivants (1942)
AventureDrameGuerreRomance

Ajouter une intrigue dans votre langueThe time is the Russian Revolution. The place is a country burdened with fear - the midnight knock at the door, the bread hidden against famine, the haunted eyes of the fleeing, the grublike... Tout lireThe time is the Russian Revolution. The place is a country burdened with fear - the midnight knock at the door, the bread hidden against famine, the haunted eyes of the fleeing, the grublike fat of the appeasers and oppressors. In a bitter struggle of the individual against the c... Tout lireThe time is the Russian Revolution. The place is a country burdened with fear - the midnight knock at the door, the bread hidden against famine, the haunted eyes of the fleeing, the grublike fat of the appeasers and oppressors. In a bitter struggle of the individual against the collective, three people stand forth with the mark of the unconquered in their bearing: Kir... Tout lire

  • Réalisation
    • Goffredo Alessandrini
  • Scénario
    • Ayn Rand
    • Corrado Alvaro
    • Orio Vergani
  • Casting principal
    • Fosco Giachetti
    • Alida Valli
    • Rossano Brazzi
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  • NOTE IMDb
    7,2/10
    441
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    • Réalisation
      • Goffredo Alessandrini
    • Scénario
      • Ayn Rand
      • Corrado Alvaro
      • Orio Vergani
    • Casting principal
      • Fosco Giachetti
      • Alida Valli
      • Rossano Brazzi
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    • 3avis des critiques
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    • Récompenses
      • 1 victoire et 1 nomination au total

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    Fosco Giachetti
    Fosco Giachetti
    • Andrei Taganov
    Alida Valli
    Alida Valli
    • Kira Argounova
    Rossano Brazzi
    Rossano Brazzi
    • Leo Kovalenski
    Giovanni Grasso
    Giovanni Grasso
    • Stephan Tishenko
    Emilio Cigoli
    • Pavel Sjerov
    Annibale Betrone
    Annibale Betrone
    • Vassili Dunaev
    Elvira Betrone
    • Maria Petrovna Dunaev
    Sennuccio Benelli
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    Gioia Collei
    • La piccola Acia Dunaev
    Bianca Doria
    • Irina Dunaev
    Cesarina Gheraldi
    • La compagna Sonja
    Silvia Manto
    • Mariska
    Claudia Marti
    • Lidia Augounova
    Evelina Paoli
    • Galina Petrovna Argounova
    Lamberto Picasso
    • GPU Captain
    Mario Pisu
    • Viktor Dunaev
    Gina Sammarco
    • Tonja
    Guglielmo Sinaz
    • Morozov
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      • Goffredo Alessandrini
    • Scénario
      • Ayn Rand
      • Corrado Alvaro
      • Orio Vergani
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    8Bunuel1976

    WE THE LIVING (Goffredo Alessandrini, 1942) ***1/2

    I haven't watched that many Italian films made prior to the neo-realist movement but I knew of this film from "Leonard Maltin's Film Guide", so I taped it when shown on late-night TV some years ago. Though it had lain in my "VHS To Watch" pile since that time, I decided to give it a whirl now as a tribute to its leading lady Alida Valli - who died only last week!

    The film's history is as convoluted as that of its narrative, which is close to 3 hours in length: the story takes place in Russia and the plot (an unauthorized adaptation of the Ayn Rand novel) naturally dealt with Communism; being a wartime production (if still handsomely mounted), it was deemed to be critical of the Fascist regime and subsequently banned! Only in 1986 was the film restored to its current form - and distributed in the U.S. to considerable success - but, unfortunately, the source print wasn't perfect (with the result that the video version suffers from some distracting fuzziness, particularly towards the end)...

    Despite its epic scope, the film is decidedly talky and necessarily heavy-going in nature; but the acting (featuring perhaps romantic idol Rossano Brazzi's finest performance) is terrific and, as a whole, the narrative anticipates another troubled wartime epic - Marcel Carne''s masterpiece CHILDREN OF PARADISE (1945), particularly in the way Valli is pursued by a number of suitors throughout the film but ends up alone by the end of it.

    The only other film by director Goffredo Alessandrini I've watched is ABUNA MESSIAS (1939), another historical piece but - ironically enough - a propagandist one! In the end, with all the celebrated classics that have emerged from Italy along the years by any number of influential auteurs, WE THE LIVING remains - with good reason - an important film and, undeniably, one of the most impressive (if largely unsung) ever made in that country.
    9ahicks-2

    The Best Film Based on a Rand Novel (an early one free of "objectivist" silliness)

    This is an absolutely astonishing film, a libertarian, feminish critique of Mussolini Italy gotten past the fascist censors under the cover of War Time anti-Communism, a demonstration of Rand's melodramatic strengths before they get encumbered by her anti-altruistic, hyper-free market hysteria. Wonderfully graced by the Vali of later THIRD MAN fame in her radiant youth and Rossano Brazzi a couple of decades before his windy turn in SOUTH PACIFIC. (Comes in two, sometimes separately titled, parts.)
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    Produced under the noses of Mussolini's police...

    ... it shortly ran afoul of their political advisers, being not just an argument against bolshevism but ANY variant of dictatorship, fascist as well. It's amazing that a copy survived to be discovered after the war. This is a rare treasure, for Valli's performance as well as the historical background. On top of that, this is one of the few times a book's made such a literal transition to film (due to lack of time during the war for script preparation), giving us a far more accurate indication of what the novelist Ayn Rand intended than, say, 'The Fountainhead' (1949), or certainly 'You Came Along' (1945).
    10occupant-1

    ...or "We The Living" (1942)

    This entry refers to the Italian title for the Goffredo Allesandrini wartime production of Rand's 1936 autobiographical novel "We The Living". Released in Fascist Italy, it was banned after a five-month run when authorities discovered that the anticollectivist statements by several characters applied as much to fascism as to the communism in Russia to which the plot specifically referred. At least one print was discovered in Italy in the 1960's and in 1986 the film was rereleased with English subtitles under the English title.
    7atlasmb

    A political love story

    Ayn Rand's novel, We the Living, was made into 2 films by an Italian company and released in 1942. They made these films without the consent of the author. Nevertheless, the resulting films were rather well done, except for the fact that dialogue and plot were added that were a) more acceptable to the fascist government in power and b) antithetical to Rand's beliefs and the nature of the characters. Thus, when Rand was asked for her permission to re-release the films decades later, she agreed with the stipulation that the offending sections be excised. After all, the actions and motivations of the characters were contradictory with the added lines. (Example: it does not make sense for a character to condemn the principles of a free market economy when he is rebelling against a socialist economy).

    Rand was mostly pleased with the Italian product and the actors' performances, so she was pleased to have the films--which were combined into one film--modified and released. Besides being a great novelist, she started her writing career as a screenwriter in Hollywood. Her understanding of plot and character development are second to no one's.

    The story itself is a complex love story, a triangle between the heroine and the two relationships she had with two men--one who was a member of the ruling communist party, and one whose father was a member of the overthrown aristocracy. Both men are victims of their times in that they see aristocracy and communism as the only two alternatives. The first man learns the realities of compromising his values due to practicalities within the party and the social/political structure. The second suffers for his values but eventually learns to compromise them (they were not so strong to begin with) to survive in the corrupt society of the USSR.

    Without the exposition of Rand's novel, the political messages of the story are probably difficult to discern, other than the "I" vs "The State" basics.

    One writer criticized Rand for wanting to bring the film closer to her original vision, as if those who stole her work had a right to their artistic vision. I guess you could say that the fascist authorities also had a right to their vision, but obviously whatever rights they had to their own beliefs gave them no rights when it comes to amending Rand's work. The original Italian films would, no doubt be interesting, but mostly as examples of propaganda and for historical purposes.

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      The films Nous, les vivants (1942) and Nous, les vivants (1942) were produced in 1942 in Italy ("Addio Kira" is part two of the story that begins in "Noi Vivi"). The films were made without the authorization, input, involvement, or, in fact, knowledge, of Ayn Rand author of the underlying work, "We The Living". Because of the war and the fact that Rand was an American, the producers, Scalera Films, made no attempt to secure the underlying literary rights. After the war, Scalera attempted to get the underlying rights from Rand and was refused. Because of this "Noi Vivi" and "Addio Kira" were not and cannot be legally distributed. Many years later, the negatives of the two existing films were purchased by American filmmakers. Rand granted literary rights and authorized a new film version of "We The Living" to be created out the films on the condition that several significant changes were made. Most importantly, she wanted the story to be told in a single film. Because of this, "We The Living", released in 1986, is significantly different from the two unauthorized films. Several subplots of the story have been removed. Running time is now a full hour less than the total of the two films.
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      Featured in Ayn Rand: A Sense of Life (1996)

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    • Date de sortie
      • 3 avril 1991 (France)
    • Pays d’origine
      • Italie
    • Site officiel
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    • Langue
      • Italien
    • Aussi connu sous le nom de
      • We the Living
    • Lieux de tournage
      • Scalera Studios, Rome, Lazio, Italie(Studio)
    • Sociétés de production
      • Era Film
      • Scalera Film
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