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Men Must Fight

  • 1933
  • Passed
  • 1h 12min
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6,2/10
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Phillips Holmes, Lewis Stone, and Diana Wynyard in Men Must Fight (1933)
DrameGuerreScience-fiction

Ajouter une intrigue dans votre langueWWI nurse Laura falls for pilot Geoffrey, who dies in her hospital. Pregnant, she marries Ed Seward. In 1940, their son Robert meets Peggy. When peace fails with Eurasia, Robert refuses to f... Tout lireWWI nurse Laura falls for pilot Geoffrey, who dies in her hospital. Pregnant, she marries Ed Seward. In 1940, their son Robert meets Peggy. When peace fails with Eurasia, Robert refuses to fight, losing Peggy and dividing his family.WWI nurse Laura falls for pilot Geoffrey, who dies in her hospital. Pregnant, she marries Ed Seward. In 1940, their son Robert meets Peggy. When peace fails with Eurasia, Robert refuses to fight, losing Peggy and dividing his family.

  • Réalisation
    • Edgar Selwyn
  • Scénario
    • C. Gardner Sullivan
    • S.K. Lauren
    • Reginald Lawrence
  • Casting principal
    • Diana Wynyard
    • Lewis Stone
    • Phillips Holmes
  • Voir les informations de production sur IMDbPro
  • NOTE IMDb
    6,2/10
    418
    MA NOTE
    • Réalisation
      • Edgar Selwyn
    • Scénario
      • C. Gardner Sullivan
      • S.K. Lauren
      • Reginald Lawrence
    • Casting principal
      • Diana Wynyard
      • Lewis Stone
      • Phillips Holmes
    • 24avis d'utilisateurs
    • 10avis des critiques
  • Voir les informations de production sur IMDbPro
  • Voir les informations de production sur IMDbPro
    • Récompenses
      • 3 victoires au total

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    Diana Wynyard
    Diana Wynyard
    • Laura Seward
    Lewis Stone
    Lewis Stone
    • Edward Seward
    Phillips Holmes
    Phillips Holmes
    • Bob Seward
    May Robson
    May Robson
    • Maman Seward
    Ruth Selwyn
    Ruth Selwyn
    • Peggy Chase
    Robert Young
    Robert Young
    • Geoffrey Aiken
    Robert Greig
    Robert Greig
    • Albert
    Hedda Hopper
    Hedda Hopper
    • Mrs. Chase
    Don Dillaway
    Don Dillaway
    • Steve Chase
    • (as Donald Dilloway)
    Mary Carlisle
    Mary Carlisle
    • Evelyn
    Luis Alberni
    Luis Alberni
    • Soto
    Mary Gordon
    Mary Gordon
    • Pacifist Audience Member
    • (non crédité)
    Sherry Hall
    • Protesting Audience Member
    • (non crédité)
    Arthur Housman
    Arthur Housman
    • Drunk on Ship
    • (non crédité)
    Anderson Lawler
    Anderson Lawler
    • Mr. Siebert - Reporter
    • (non crédité)
    George Magrill
    George Magrill
    • Stretcher Bearer
    • (non crédité)
    Bert Moorhouse
    Bert Moorhouse
    • Pacificist Audience Member
    • (non crédité)
    Lee Phelps
    • Secret Service Escort
    • (non crédité)
    • Réalisation
      • Edgar Selwyn
    • Scénario
      • C. Gardner Sullivan
      • S.K. Lauren
      • Reginald Lawrence
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    6Art-22

    Strong performances and eerily good predictions highlight a muddled point of view.

    I enjoyed some of the anti-war sentiment in this film, despite a muddled point of view that also included strong hawkish sentiments. The bombing of New York in 1940, with special effects showing the collapse of the Brooklyn Bridge and the Empire State Building, was interesting but clearly done with miniatures. Considering this was a 1933 film, it came pretty close to predicting the actual start of WWII. And it must have been fun for 1933 audiences to see a television set and video telephones on screen. Performances were excellent, with Lewis Stone a standout as Secretary of State, Diana Wynyard as his dovish wife who lost her lover (Robert Young) in WWI, and Phillips Holmes as their son, caught in the middle of his parents' beliefs. Ironically, Holmes was actually killed in WWII from a mid-air collision.
    6bkoganbing

    National Honor Requires

    Men Must Fight is an interesting if somewhat dated look at the future of the world as seen from 1933. At that time the thought of another total war like World War I turned out to be was abhorrent in the eyes of civilization. In fact World War I was simply called the Great War when referred to, that we'd have another was unthinkable.

    Diana Wynyard plays a nurse on the front lines in the Great War who's in love with flier Robert Young. When Young's killed, he's left something permanent for Wynyard to remember him by. But good and stout friend Lewis Stone will marry her and raise the kid as their own.

    Flash forward 20 years and the future in 1940 has folks using television and cellphones where one can talk and text. Lewis Stone is the US Secretary of State and curiously enough his character name is William Seward like another of our greatest Secretarys of State. Diana Wynyard is a pacifist activist and the two seem to work in tandem.

    The film is purposely vague, not telling us exactly who the US rivals are out there. It's an amorphous amalgamation of countries called, Eurasia. Our ambassador to there is assassinated and this means war because national honor requires it. Interestingly enough a few of our ambassadors in the past centuries were assassinated and the USA did not go to war for national honor in real life.

    This causes a conflict in Wynyard's grown son played by Phillips Holmes. Stone falls in line with the war declaration, Wynyard still works for peace, Holmes doesn't know what to do though he leans in Wynyard's direction. Holmes also is in conflict with his fiancé Ruth Selwyn who says America must fight.

    At that time the ultimate weapon was poison gas and the fear was that the chemists on both sides would make even more lethal varieties. And air raids. New York in fact is bombed by air.

    Men Must Fight is old fashioned and melodramatic. At the same time it's a sincere plea for international understanding and peace. My guess is that Louis B. Mayer buried this one deep in MGM's vaults when World War II came around. We're fortunate to have TCM show it, especially since leading lady Diana Wynyard made so very few films.
    7AlsExGal

    somewhat prescient precode...

    ... and by prescient when it concerns the next war, really, the only thing they got close to right was the date. In 1933, when Hitler was still considered just a buffoonish little man, this film predicts 1940 as the date of the next world conflict. They were only off by one year, so really not bad on the timing predictions.

    The film begins with a real precode moment - a young flyer (Robert Young as Geoffrey Aiken) and a nurse (Diana Wynyard as Laura) are in the process of dressing in a dimly lit room, obviously after a session of love making. They are in love, but Geoffrey dies after his very first mission, before they can marry. Laura is pregnant, a fact discerned by Edward Seward (Lewis Stone). Edward has been tenaciously pursuing Laura up to this point. He knows she loves someone else, but after Geoffrey's death proposes marriage again to avoid scandal for Laura and her child, and be there to take care of her. She agrees. Geoffrey's son is born, and WWI ends.

    The film picks up again in 1940, with Edward now Secretary of State, and the Seward marriage may not be a passionate one, but it does seem to be at least tender and loving. Laura's son (Philips Holmes as Bob) has grown up into a handsome young man who has already started to make a name for himself in the field of chemistry. This is where the trouble begins, and where the film gets the next world conflict wrong.

    The film paints the next conflict - that of 1940 - as one in which all the countries of Europe and part of Asia have united into one country, and one that starts just as WWI began - with an assassination. It's all about patriotic posturing and defending one's honor and not about American interests being encroached upon. Maybe the advice given by the pacifists in this film might have worked in WWI, in which decades and even centuries of pointless bickering erupted into one pointless conflict, but as we all know, just refusing to fight would not have worked against Hitler or Japan.

    There are several interesting pieces of futuristic technology including a video phone used by Secretary of State Seward when talking to Laura's now grown son. Yet when war erupts it is the old-style WWI prop planes that are being flown.

    I'd recommend this as an offbeat kind of film, well done and well acted. Also, it is probably one of Philips Holmes' best roles and rather eery when you realize he would die nine years later in a mid-air collision while serving during the actual WWII. I just think this film is more about how people looked back on how WWI might have been prevented versus being helpful on how to prevent WWII. But then we all have the gift of hindsight.
    ChungMo

    Ambivalent Melodrama about War and Human Behavior

    A strange combination of political foresight, a moral philosophy debate and unchecked patriotic jingoism. This isn't a great dramatic film for a lot of reasons but is a great thought provoker. This film should be viewed in high schools and colleges precisely because it takes both side of the issue so strongly. For example, while the script blames the mother for making her son into a pacifist and goes about celebrating the men who go to a certain death defending their country, it lets the pacifist grandmother have the final word in the movie.

    The foresight about Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan's war plans is very chilling. It's also interesting that this was around the start of the US pacifist movement that some say was partially financed by Nazi Germany to keep the US out of their way.

    While the film is done in that creaky early thirties acting style, the script gives the characters quite a bit of nuance. By the end you can't tell what side the filmmakers were on. Almost all of the intelligent quotes come out of the pacifists but the US is attacked and thousands die because of them. The anti-pacifists frequently come off as very violent and crude. Triumphant military music plays when the troops march out and fly off.

    This film should be seen with the more entertaining but similar "Things To Come"

    Some technical notes: the sound is very bad at points during the last ten minutes on the TCM print which I assume came from the MGM vault. The destruction of the Empire State Building, which is very disturbing to look at these days, was ridiculous. It would have taken much more then the one dinky bomb that came off the enemy bi-plane.
    6wes-connors

    War Beats Peace

    During the Great War (aka World War I), British-accented nurse Diana Wynyard (as Laura Mattson) suffers tragically. Understandably, she becomes a fervent pacifist. In 1918, many believed the "war to end war" had occurred. Decades later, it's 1940. Looking great for her advanced years, Ms. Wynyard is married to US Secretary of State Lewis Stone (as Edward "Ned" Seward). They have raised a pacifist son, handsome chemical engineer Phillips Holmes (as Robert "Bob" Seward). When a Second World War breaks out in Europe, the pacifist ideals of Wynyard and the draft-aged Mr. Holmes are tested...

    From a short-lived 1932 Broadway play, this film predicts what many people once considered unlikely - that another "world war" would follow the "war to end all wars." There were fewer predicting this in the 1930s than the countless speculation about World War III. We don't use the "picture phone" depicted, but the writers and adapters were remarkably correct in some main events. However, this is not really a film about picture phones and chemical weapons...

    Living up to its title, "Men Must Fight" is a pro-war story. The thesis is that pacifists are wrong...

    Moreover, a clearly sexist attitude explains Wynyard and her ilk. Also representing the "weaker" gender are director Edgar Selwyn's pretty wife Ruth, and the inimitable May Robson. Holmes is brought up hating war, but this threatens to render him a spineless sissy; in order to be valued and accepted, the character must reform. Considering all this, the closing scene is despicable. The arguments for why people "must fight" wars, which the film makes more subtly, are undermined by the heavy-handedness. In an ironically sad postscript, Holmes enlisted in the real World War II and died in a 1942 plane crash.

    ****** Men Must Fight (2/17/33) Edgar Selwyn ~ Diana Wynyard, Phillips Holmes, Lewis Stone, May Robson

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    • Anecdotes
      Although produced in 1933, the bulk of the film takes place in 1940; events depicting the start of World War II are, of course, fictional and strictly futuristic, but nonetheless on target as far as the date is concerned.
    • Gaffes
      During the air raid, the Empire State Building is shown to be destroyed. Later when Bob's flight group flies off by the New York skyline, the Empire State Building is seen.
    • Citations

      Edward Seward: Hello son.

      Bob Seward: Dad!

      Edward Seward: Well, remember me?

      Bob Seward: [Bob hugs Edward, his father. Then, steps back] Well, they'll think we are a couple of Frenchmen.

    • Bandes originales
      Anchors Aweigh
      (1906) (uncredited)

      Written by Charles A. Zimmerman, Alfred Hart Miles and R. Lovell

      Played during the naval scenes

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    • Date de sortie
      • 17 février 1933 (États-Unis)
    • Pays d’origine
      • États-Unis
    • Langue
      • Anglais
    • Aussi connu sous le nom de
      • What Woman Give
    • Lieux de tournage
      • Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios - 10202 W. Washington Blvd., Culver City, Californie, États-Unis
    • Société de production
      • Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM)
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      • 240 000 $US (estimé)
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      1 heure 12 minutes
    • Couleur
      • Black and White
    • Rapport de forme
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