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Men Must Fight

  • 1933
  • Passed
  • 1h 12min
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6,2/10
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Phillips Holmes, Lewis Stone, and Diana Wynyard in Men Must Fight (1933)
DrameGuerreScience-fiction

Ajouter une intrigue dans votre langueWWI nurse Laura falls for pilot Geoffrey, who dies in her hospital. Pregnant, she marries Ed Seward. In 1940, their son Robert meets Peggy. When peace fails with Eurasia, Robert refuses to f... Tout lireWWI nurse Laura falls for pilot Geoffrey, who dies in her hospital. Pregnant, she marries Ed Seward. In 1940, their son Robert meets Peggy. When peace fails with Eurasia, Robert refuses to fight, losing Peggy and dividing his family.WWI nurse Laura falls for pilot Geoffrey, who dies in her hospital. Pregnant, she marries Ed Seward. In 1940, their son Robert meets Peggy. When peace fails with Eurasia, Robert refuses to fight, losing Peggy and dividing his family.

  • Réalisation
    • Edgar Selwyn
  • Scénario
    • C. Gardner Sullivan
    • S.K. Lauren
    • Reginald Lawrence
  • Casting principal
    • Diana Wynyard
    • Lewis Stone
    • Phillips Holmes
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  • NOTE IMDb
    6,2/10
    419
    MA NOTE
    • Réalisation
      • Edgar Selwyn
    • Scénario
      • C. Gardner Sullivan
      • S.K. Lauren
      • Reginald Lawrence
    • Casting principal
      • Diana Wynyard
      • Lewis Stone
      • Phillips Holmes
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    • 10avis des critiques
  • Voir les informations de production sur IMDbPro
  • Voir les informations de production sur IMDbPro
    • Récompenses
      • 3 victoires au total

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    Diana Wynyard
    Diana Wynyard
    • Laura Seward
    Lewis Stone
    Lewis Stone
    • Edward Seward
    Phillips Holmes
    Phillips Holmes
    • Bob Seward
    May Robson
    May Robson
    • Maman Seward
    Ruth Selwyn
    Ruth Selwyn
    • Peggy Chase
    Robert Young
    Robert Young
    • Geoffrey Aiken
    Robert Greig
    Robert Greig
    • Albert
    Hedda Hopper
    Hedda Hopper
    • Mrs. Chase
    Don Dillaway
    Don Dillaway
    • Steve Chase
    • (as Donald Dilloway)
    Mary Carlisle
    Mary Carlisle
    • Evelyn
    Luis Alberni
    Luis Alberni
    • Soto
    Mary Gordon
    Mary Gordon
    • Pacifist Audience Member
    • (non crédité)
    Sherry Hall
    • Protesting Audience Member
    • (non crédité)
    Arthur Housman
    Arthur Housman
    • Drunk on Ship
    • (non crédité)
    Anderson Lawler
    Anderson Lawler
    • Mr. Siebert - Reporter
    • (non crédité)
    George Magrill
    George Magrill
    • Stretcher Bearer
    • (non crédité)
    Bert Moorhouse
    Bert Moorhouse
    • Pacificist Audience Member
    • (non crédité)
    Lee Phelps
    • Secret Service Escort
    • (non crédité)
    • Réalisation
      • Edgar Selwyn
    • Scénario
      • C. Gardner Sullivan
      • S.K. Lauren
      • Reginald Lawrence
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    ChungMo

    Ambivalent Melodrama about War and Human Behavior

    A strange combination of political foresight, a moral philosophy debate and unchecked patriotic jingoism. This isn't a great dramatic film for a lot of reasons but is a great thought provoker. This film should be viewed in high schools and colleges precisely because it takes both side of the issue so strongly. For example, while the script blames the mother for making her son into a pacifist and goes about celebrating the men who go to a certain death defending their country, it lets the pacifist grandmother have the final word in the movie.

    The foresight about Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan's war plans is very chilling. It's also interesting that this was around the start of the US pacifist movement that some say was partially financed by Nazi Germany to keep the US out of their way.

    While the film is done in that creaky early thirties acting style, the script gives the characters quite a bit of nuance. By the end you can't tell what side the filmmakers were on. Almost all of the intelligent quotes come out of the pacifists but the US is attacked and thousands die because of them. The anti-pacifists frequently come off as very violent and crude. Triumphant military music plays when the troops march out and fly off.

    This film should be seen with the more entertaining but similar "Things To Come"

    Some technical notes: the sound is very bad at points during the last ten minutes on the TCM print which I assume came from the MGM vault. The destruction of the Empire State Building, which is very disturbing to look at these days, was ridiculous. It would have taken much more then the one dinky bomb that came off the enemy bi-plane.
    7blanche-2

    fascinating film

    Lewis Stone, Diana Wynyard, Robert Young, and Phillips Holmes star in "Men Must Fight," a 1933 film. The movie starts with a young nurse, Laura (Wynyard) and her lover (Young) as he prepares to go off to World War I. He's killed; she's pregnant, and a rejected suitor, Ned Seward (Stone) offers to marry her and give the child his name. Laura vows that no son of hers will ever fight in a war.

    Flash forward to 1940, and Seward is now Secretary of State, working on a peace treaty, with Laura's help. Their son Robert (Holmes) is a talented chemist and in love with Peggy (Ruth Selwyn). Unfortunately, the peace treaty fails, and the country is going to war with "Eurasia." Seward advises Laura that she will have to stop her peace-making attempts and objections to war, but she refuses. Having raised her son as a pacificist, Robert refuses to enlist, to the disgust of Peggy.

    The film was made in 1933, but obviously the signs of conflict were already in the air; if one looks carefully at an anti-war rally that takes place in the film, one will see the Japanese sun and the Nazi swastika. Pretty amazing.

    The acting by today's standards, with the exception of Stone, is quite melodramatic, as is the dialogue. The handsome Holmes, who himself died right after flight training in Canada, is good as the conflicted Robert. Diana Wynyard, too, is very good, but both actors have very over the top dialogue to say.

    Very, very interesting film, and well worth seeing, with some excellent battle scenes.
    6Art-22

    Strong performances and eerily good predictions highlight a muddled point of view.

    I enjoyed some of the anti-war sentiment in this film, despite a muddled point of view that also included strong hawkish sentiments. The bombing of New York in 1940, with special effects showing the collapse of the Brooklyn Bridge and the Empire State Building, was interesting but clearly done with miniatures. Considering this was a 1933 film, it came pretty close to predicting the actual start of WWII. And it must have been fun for 1933 audiences to see a television set and video telephones on screen. Performances were excellent, with Lewis Stone a standout as Secretary of State, Diana Wynyard as his dovish wife who lost her lover (Robert Young) in WWI, and Phillips Holmes as their son, caught in the middle of his parents' beliefs. Ironically, Holmes was actually killed in WWII from a mid-air collision.
    7alanjj

    weirdly engrossing: pacifism and patriotism in the 1930s

    The future (1940) as seen from the vantage point of 1933. A movie about preparedness for war, the main characters are woman who became a pacifist after her beau died in WWI; her husband, the Secretary of State, a pacifist who turns hawk when war is imminent; her son, also a pacifist, who disappoints his stepfather by refusing to use his knowledge of chemistry to create better poison gases ("the weapon of the future"); the boy's fiance, who refuses to continue the engagement because the boy won't join in the war effort; a dotty pacifist grandma; and Hedda Hopper as the girl's hawkish mom.

    With a bizarre cast of characters like this, you can just imagine the plot. It takes the destruction of the Brooklyn Bridge and the Empire State Building, plus the revelation that his real father was a war hero, plus the abandonment by his stepfather, to make the pacifist son realize that he must fight, and likely die (as the enemy, Eurasia, has already invaded New York and seems to be equipped with deadly poison gas).

    This is a gem, and thank god we have oddball cable stations that show such stuff in the middle of the night. It is a movie about patriotism that exalts ambivalence, which is the strongest feeling that most of us possess. Although ultimately the movie comes down on the side of the fighters ("Men Must Fight"), the notion that it would be better for all nations (led by the world's mothers) to refuse to go to war is a major theme of the movie. It is mildly based on Lysistrata.

    The sci-fi elements stand out as particularly amusing from the vantage point of 2003: both television and picture phones are the norm, but nothing else (and especially the grand old prop planes) is the least bit modern. The prediction that whoever controls poison gas controls the world is in line with the misguided Sadaam-aphobia of our own decade.

    For any number of reasons, this flick is well worth watching.
    7AlsExGal

    somewhat prescient precode...

    ... and by prescient when it concerns the next war, really, the only thing they got close to right was the date. In 1933, when Hitler was still considered just a buffoonish little man, this film predicts 1940 as the date of the next world conflict. They were only off by one year, so really not bad on the timing predictions.

    The film begins with a real precode moment - a young flyer (Robert Young as Geoffrey Aiken) and a nurse (Diana Wynyard as Laura) are in the process of dressing in a dimly lit room, obviously after a session of love making. They are in love, but Geoffrey dies after his very first mission, before they can marry. Laura is pregnant, a fact discerned by Edward Seward (Lewis Stone). Edward has been tenaciously pursuing Laura up to this point. He knows she loves someone else, but after Geoffrey's death proposes marriage again to avoid scandal for Laura and her child, and be there to take care of her. She agrees. Geoffrey's son is born, and WWI ends.

    The film picks up again in 1940, with Edward now Secretary of State, and the Seward marriage may not be a passionate one, but it does seem to be at least tender and loving. Laura's son (Philips Holmes as Bob) has grown up into a handsome young man who has already started to make a name for himself in the field of chemistry. This is where the trouble begins, and where the film gets the next world conflict wrong.

    The film paints the next conflict - that of 1940 - as one in which all the countries of Europe and part of Asia have united into one country, and one that starts just as WWI began - with an assassination. It's all about patriotic posturing and defending one's honor and not about American interests being encroached upon. Maybe the advice given by the pacifists in this film might have worked in WWI, in which decades and even centuries of pointless bickering erupted into one pointless conflict, but as we all know, just refusing to fight would not have worked against Hitler or Japan.

    There are several interesting pieces of futuristic technology including a video phone used by Secretary of State Seward when talking to Laura's now grown son. Yet when war erupts it is the old-style WWI prop planes that are being flown.

    I'd recommend this as an offbeat kind of film, well done and well acted. Also, it is probably one of Philips Holmes' best roles and rather eery when you realize he would die nine years later in a mid-air collision while serving during the actual WWII. I just think this film is more about how people looked back on how WWI might have been prevented versus being helpful on how to prevent WWII. But then we all have the gift of hindsight.

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    • Anecdotes
      Although produced in 1933, the bulk of the film takes place in 1940; events depicting the start of World War II are, of course, fictional and strictly futuristic, but nonetheless on target as far as the date is concerned.
    • Gaffes
      During the air raid, the Empire State Building is shown to be destroyed. Later when Bob's flight group flies off by the New York skyline, the Empire State Building is seen.
    • Citations

      Edward Seward: Hello son.

      Bob Seward: Dad!

      Edward Seward: Well, remember me?

      Bob Seward: [Bob hugs Edward, his father. Then, steps back] Well, they'll think we are a couple of Frenchmen.

    • Bandes originales
      Anchors Aweigh
      (1906) (uncredited)

      Written by Charles A. Zimmerman, Alfred Hart Miles and R. Lovell

      Played during the naval scenes

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    • Date de sortie
      • 17 février 1933 (États-Unis)
    • Pays d’origine
      • États-Unis
    • Langue
      • Anglais
    • Aussi connu sous le nom de
      • What Woman Give
    • Lieux de tournage
      • Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios - 10202 W. Washington Blvd., Culver City, Californie, États-Unis
    • Société de production
      • Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM)
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      • 240 000 $US (estimé)
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    • Durée
      • 1h 12min(72 min)
    • Couleur
      • Black and White
    • Rapport de forme
      • 1.37 : 1

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