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Charlie Manson: retrato de un demente

Título original: The Manson Family
  • 1997
  • C
  • 1h 35min
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Charlie Manson: retrato de un demente (1997)
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Agrega una trama en tu idiomaA dramatization of the horrific and notorious Manson Family Murders, in the form of super 8 home movies.A dramatization of the horrific and notorious Manson Family Murders, in the form of super 8 home movies.A dramatization of the horrific and notorious Manson Family Murders, in the form of super 8 home movies.

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    • Jim Van Bebber
  • Guionista
    • Jim Van Bebber
  • Elenco
    • Marcelo Games
    • Marc Pitman
    • Leslie Orr
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    • Dirección
      • Jim Van Bebber
    • Guionista
      • Jim Van Bebber
    • Elenco
      • Marcelo Games
      • Marc Pitman
      • Leslie Orr
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    • 78Opiniones de los críticos
    • 56Metascore
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    Marcelo Games
    • Charles Manson
    Marc Pitman
    Marc Pitman
    • Charles 'Tex' Watson
    Leslie Orr
    • Patty Krenwinkel
    Maureen Allisse
    • Susan 'Sadie' Atkins
    Amy Yates
    • Leslie van Houten
    Jim Van Bebber
    • Bobby
    Tom Burns
    • Clem Watkins
    Michelle Briggs
    • Linda Kasabian
    Sherri Rickman
    • Snake
    Nate Pennington
    • Shorty
    M.M. Jones
    • Ronald
    Carl Day
    • Jack Wilson
    Jim Sayer
    • Bob
    Mark Gillespie
    • Terry
    Paul Harper
    • Jerry
    Norris Hellwig
    • Old George
    Joel Pohlman
    • Randy
    Valerie Hatt
    • Simi Sherri
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    7Zocco97

    Intriguing

    I like the movie a lot, probably not for the crappy set design and poor acting, or even the low budget premise. I just liked the fact that an independent film maker with a vision got to see his dream after 15 years get rewarded. I have to admit, the movie is pretty gritty and I got the parallel between the new Manson zeolites and the original family and found it more intriguing than the usual docu-drama the media portrays. Well done...oh and people that hated this movie, it's too bad because I was entertained throughout and in a way it took out the mystique of the Manson family rather than glorifying it. Yes it was low-budget but if you watch the documentary on the film's creation it's quite brilliant and fascinating.
    7RatedVforVinny

    A true descent into madness.

    A really demented but compelling take, on the life and times of Charles Manson. Incredible story for all the best (and worst reasons) and a difficult picture to get exactly right. At times this film takes you into a world were madness and mayhem, truly rules the roost. One long acid trip and no doubt a fairly accurate portrayal of events that actually happened (on the Spahn Ranch). To be honest you could never make up a fiction story anywhere near as bizarre as this and whatever your views on Charles Manson, he was a complete one-off!
    LLAAA4837

    A Campy Film For Sure, But It's About Time Someone Showed What Silly Weirdos the Family Was.

    **1/2 out of ****

    By golly, it's about time that a film about the Manson Family wasn't made to be more of an event then it really was. I mean sure, it is very tragic that those people died, I always will mourn for their families and them, being that they were innocent people who did not deserve to die, but the family isn't something that should be really feared. When you really break it down, the members of the cult were not smart people. They didn't ask questions as to what was the purpose was for murdering all those innocent people, they didn't see Charlie as someone who should not be taken seriously, and they didn't even know who they were murdering. They were very foolish people, and they should be anything but feared. I don't understand the rationale of someone who finds the incident of the cult to be so shocking. I mean sure, it's shocking that these people actually went out and committed these murders, but they were just a group of people who had obviously lost too many braincells. That is why I thought this was a good movie. Because it is honest, shows the incident from the evil side, and does it in a responsible and realistic manner.

    The film structure consists of the members of the family being interviewed in jail about what they did. We briefly see Charlie as the ringleader and we see him as a foolish looking funny man who mostly doesn't know what he is talking about. The film builds up to a Roman Polanski's MACBETH style third act in which the family goes on their killing spree, but by the time they begin to do these things, the audience realizes that these people don't have any rationale except for hate, and they gradually became blinded by it and began thinking that they were doing something of purpose, which they were certainly not.

    I don't recommend this to the casual movie goer. People who rent this thinking that it's just a horror film are wrong. This is not just a horror film. This is an extremely disturbing, gruesome, tasteless, and senselessly brutal film that just so happens to depict an honest representation of the family. People who will see this film will wonder if it merits any purpose. Indeed, it may not. That is not the point though. The point is that Mario Vanbebbler wanted to make the most realistic version of The Manson Family as possible, so even though the film may not be good, I am happy to say that he has succeeded in doing exactly what he wanted. That is something I greatly admire, and that's why I like this film.

    Not Rated. Adults only. contains explicit violence and sexuality, and drug use.
    7murking

    New take..OK, run with it

    One can certainly forgive the filmmaker for not consulting with the family for accurate info. Dead end there. As Robin Williams said, if you can remember the sixties, you weren't really there. What remains is a great pop-culture plethora of reconstructions to choose from. What we sicko film fans have been waiting for for years is a truly hardcore no-holds barred version of the Manson saga. The two made-for TV versions are okay, Steve Railsback is great in The Stunt Man as well, and Ed Gein, very underrated actor.

    Anyway, mad overdue for an NC17 splatterfest, and as long as it's low budget, you can expect some artistic license and the freedom to inject more social commentary on the subsequent generations who've adopted such an apocalyptic mind-set. JVB does get a bit carried away, integrating modern-day punks, junkies, tabloid journalists,Jim Jones recordings and poseurs into the mix. JVB goes out of his way to mirror the history of nihilistic punk attitude, straight on through the 80s with the Richard Kern film clips (You killed me first, starring the inimitable Lung Leg) So the film is a bit inconsistent. Far from perfect. It also combines remakes of the Manson documentary footage shot in the early 70s, while the girls are all armed and determined to free Charlie and crew. It's all over the place, very NBK. Also a very big dose of processed noise and simulated dirty film effects.

    But the performances are good, the frenzy and mania are there. Very queasy and rough recreations of the Hinman/Tate/LaBianca murders. Strong stuff. Managed to cram a lot of character development into 95 minutes, despite also having fictional characters running rampant as well.
    10bsimko

    I'll be helpful if I can....

    I'm giving the film a 10/10 because of how I feel about it, but ignore that part of this review. What I'd like to do is help you, the potential viewer of The Manson Family, figure out whether you'd love this movie or hate it. It is a polarizing film, as is obvious from the reviews - no genuinely bad films get such an extreme reaction, positive or negative. The worst movies on earth are the ones where you just feel like your time was wasted. At worst, this film will make you feel like your time was violated - remember that the people who give it one star were motivated to find this web page and leave their comments. Go look up any god-awful Fred Olen Ray movie and see what people say: they give 2 or 3 star reviews. I suggest that the only one-star reviews on this entire site are motivated by being offended, not by the movie being "bad" in any objective sense.

    Okay, that said, I think this is a well-made film, which I am prepared to support with evidence. The people who said that this is poorly shot ("the camera doesn't move") are clearly out of their minds. Not only does the camera move (and why would it matter if it didn't?), but the filmic technique is a dead-on mimic of the film techniques of the period it is depicting (late 1960s). This is a low budget, 16mm film, so it doesn't have any kind of Hollywood gloss - it is semi-documentary in it's approach. However, I found it to be stylish and evocative of Vietnam documentary footage, Woodstock (the film), and classic drive-in exploitation movies of the period. Again, this is something you'll probably either love or hate, but it is a calculated decision to look "unprofessional" by modern Hollywood standards.

    As far as the content of the film, I think it is mistakenly regarded by some as a "message" film, and by others as an "exploitation" film. I think it is neither, or maybe more accurately, both - this is a "depiction" film, intent on depicting the Manson Family as realistically as possible. Why do that? Because Manson and his "Family" is one of the most sociologically interesting phenomena of the 20th century, in many ways comparable to Hitler and the Nazis. Jim VanBebber made a conscious (even a little heavy-handed, lending a little credence to the idea that this is a "message" film) decision to focus on the "family," the actual killers (Manson himself was convicted of inciting the crimes, not participating). Having read a lot of Manson literature including the Vincent Bugliosi book Helter Skelter, I think that this is the most accurate way I've seen the story told, particularly with the "Rashomon"-esque narration of the participants, where they whitewash their own involvement in the crimes, something that frustrated District Attourney Bugliosi to no end.

    Now, how will you be able to tell whether this movie is for you, with all the "VanBebber is a genius" or "this is the worst movie ever made" crap out there? Here's the checklist:

    1: Do you like low-budget 16mm horror films? It looks low-budget like Evil Dead or Texas Chainsaw Massacre (the original), a look which I find to be raw and immediate, but that's an opinion. The much-debated quality of the acting is exactly in keeping with this style. If, for example, you thought the acting in the Texas Chainsaw was rough and real, you'll probably like this, too.

    2: Can you cope with graphic sex, drug use, and violence? The sex is near-X-rated and the violence, though they use 70's-style Karo syrup blood, is intense, grotesque, and on-screen. And really happened to real people, which freaks me out.

    3: Do you find the twisted social mores of the Manson family to be interesting? This is not a film about a charismatic leader - it's a film about lost sheep. This type of senseless killing is only committed by people who have lost their empathy, an effect that is all too easy to achieve - it takes a lot less than what Manson did to subvert a person's ethics (see the psychological research of Milgram, Zimbardo, et al).

    I thought the film did an excellent job of making an intellectual point at a (mostly) visceral level. The point is that human ethics are incredibly flexible and that hedonism is ultimately selfish, even when the love is "free." My final statement: A person with a (very?) strong stomach who is willing to engage his or her intellect in something that doesn't seem quite worth it on the surface will probably enjoy this movie, and be surprised at how deep the well runs. A crazy gore fan will probably like this movie. Fans of underground and experimental film (esp. Richard Kern fans) will love this movie. Mainstream Hollywood fans will not; non-genre fans will not.

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    • Trivia
      When the Tate/LaBianca murders are depicted, the shot does not show Sharon Tate being stabbed in the stomach in detail, this is because director Jim Van Bebber highly objected to film a pregnant woman being stabbed in the stomach.
    • Errores
      Throughout the movie you hear Jim Jones preaching to his followers. The movie takes place in 1969, the Jim Jones massacre took place in 1978.
    • Créditos curiosos
      The credits roll from the top of the screen to the bottom of the screen with recordings of Jim Jones addressing his congregation, ending with the words "Think about it" repeated and echoed through the credits.
    • Versiones alternativas
      The Unrated version runs 95 minutes (with 11 extra minutes of footage) and the R rated version is 84 minutes.
    • Conexiones
      Edited into Destination Planet Rock (2007)
    • Bandas sonoras
      Creepy Crawl
      Written by Phil Anselmo (as Philip Anselmo) / Jimmy Bower / Joe Fazio

      Performed by Superjoint Ritual

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    • Fecha de lanzamiento
      • 22 de octubre de 2004 (Estados Unidos)
    • País de origen
      • Estados Unidos
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    • Locaciones de filmación
      • Dayton, Ohio, Estados Unidos
    • Productora
      • Mercury Films
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    • Total en EE. UU. y Canadá
      • USD 19,140
    • Fin de semana de estreno en EE. UU. y Canadá
      • USD 11,647
      • 24 oct 2004
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      • 1.37 : 1

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