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Kirk Douglas and Burt Lancaster in Dos tipos duros (1986)

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Dos tipos duros

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6/10

Two screen icons in their last good role

Of course Kirk Douglas did quite a few more films after this but he didn't do em with this kind of fun in mind.

Two former train robbers get parole after 30 years. Now they have to decide what to do when they get out. They're 65 and 72 years old and don't have a lot of skills. On top of that they don't fit in the 80's way of life. Their parole officer tells them they cant see each other for 3 years as per condition of their parole. They both have a heckuva time adjusting to this new existence and finally decide to go back to their old way of life.

This is one of those 80's gems that I never forgot. Two great actors in their last good film doing what they do best... Acting tough and being guys....Tough Guys. Burt Lancaster is the straight man and Kirk Douglas has all the good lines. Keep a watch out for Eli Wallach...he steals almost the entire film with the small role he has. Yes you will see a very young Dana Carvey pre SNL.

Grab this 80's flick and have a laugh cause I'll bet it won't be too hard to do.
  • nomoons11
  • 9 ene 2013
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7/10

Good fun, shows they really don't make them like they used to

Tough Guys re-unites after a near 30 year gap the screen pairing of Kirk Douglas and Burt Lancaster and as such it's a wonderful piece of nostalgia. The premise suits the stars very well Archie Long and Harry Doyle after 30 years in prison for a train robbery are released into society and find things aren't want the used to be back in the old neighbourhood. The duo are soon mixed up with a short sighted hit-man (a scene stealing Eli Wallach), a hero worshipping parole officer (Dana Cavey), an old time cop convinced they'll rob again (Charles Durning) and some seriously 80's style thugs. Add to this just dealing with Archies day job and Harry's new life in a retirement home and their is a recipe for comedy and some surprisingly touching moments as the pair come to terms with old age.

The film is fun and well paced although there are some big plot holes and inconsistencies you can overlook these as its not a serious film. Douglas and Lancaster are clearly having a blast making the movie and seeing them on screen again one last time is great. I'd recommend this film for a feel good comedy or a bit of nostalgia for older movie fans. 7/10
  • no-skyline
  • 3 may 2006
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7/10

Not their best teaming, but Lancaster and Douglas work well together

This is a rather light comedy, not an exceptional film, but entertaining enough. While Kirk Douglas and Burt Lancaster turn in engaging performances, the movie is stolen by Eli Wallach, whose character is nothing if not persistent! There are some very funny bits here. If you're looking for something light, funny and enjoyable, this one works. Worth watching.
  • llltdesq
  • 22 ago 2001
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Tough Guys

Legends Douglas and Lancaster play two aging ex-train robbers who set out to prove they're not over the hill for one more heist. A fun film. It's nice to see two legends go head to head and have a few laughs...
  • Coxer99
  • 14 mar 1999
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7/10

Lancaster and Douglas Go Out with Flair!!!

  • zardoz-13
  • 21 jul 2017
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6/10

Another odd couple

  • policy134
  • 14 may 2009
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7/10

A movie to perceive ageing with a smile

If you watch this movie at some advanced age (without specifying what advanced means), it a pleasant experience.

Kirk Douglas and Burt Lancaster are role models that even when you age, you can follow a different role model than the archetypical grandpa.

Watch it in the evening, maybe with a glass of wine and then celebrate your age.

Included is a bit of an 80ties flair. A bit overplayed, maybe, but still it's good enough to show how the world has changed. Another piece of sentimentality is when that especially Kirk Douglas represents the old world of a guy who is simply a guy. Even in the decade of 2020, the simply stand for a different way of being. Not woke, just old man. Maybe they are rare today, but they will be remembered.
  • stefan_papp
  • 10 feb 2023
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4/10

Odd To See Classic Stars In Sleazy Script

It was nice to see aging superstars Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas together as a pair of old train robbers back on the streets after 30 years in jail. However, the story is a little hard to take with any credibility and - call me old-fashioned - I didn't care to see and hear a couple of "classic film" stars involved in modern-day sleaze.

As someone who has seen thousands of classic films, it just seems odd to see two famous actors in a film like this with the profanity and sex, although I had already seen Lancaster in "Atlantic City" (1980). Still, seeing a hot 25-year-old falling for Douglas and the two having sex all night, was a little strange to witness.

The major part of the "credibility gap," however, was how unreal they made all the other characters in the film. All these two guys confront, after getting out of jail, are horrible people, unrealistically horrible, one after the other. Everyone is incredibly rude, obnoxious and just plain nasty to our two old friends. It's overdone so much it's ridiculous. The world can be a bad place, but, come on - it's not THAT bad!

The story was that people were so rotten and that life was so miserable that the two fellas were forced to go back into bank robbing. Ahhh, what an inspiring story!!
  • ccthemovieman-1
  • 30 ago 2006
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8/10

The End of the Line, Harry and Archie

The 1980s was a period of transition as many great film legends died. Cary Grant, Bette Davis, Lawrence Olivier, Fred Astaire, Jimmy Cagney were just a few of those who left the scene. But there were attempts (before the end) to bring some of the great figures together. Bette Davis and Jimmy Steward made there only film together. Henry Fonda and Katherine Hepburn did ON GOLDEN POND. Cagney appeared with pal Pat O'Brien, as well as Donald O'Connor, in RAGTIME. Davis appeared with Lillian Gish, Anne Southern, and Vincent Price in THE WHALES OF AUGUST. And Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas appeared in this film.

In the Oscar ceremonies of 1985, Lancaster and Douglas had come in together to deliver an award, and everyone noted how healthy both men still were. It was over two decades since they appeared in a film as co-stars (SEVEN DAYS IN MAY), and some of the news items in the wake of their appearance suggested it was too bad there was no property that they could develop together. Shortly afterward this comedy was produced.

It had a great build-up, and I was fortunate to see it in a movie house. But it did not have a massive audience box-office, and was gone within six weeks. It was too bad, because it was a funny film, and would turn out to be the best comedy buddy film of the films that they did together.

Harry and Archie (Lancaster and Douglas) pulled off one of the smoothest and most impressive railway train robberies in American history back in 1947. They almost got away with it, except for the persistence of a police officer (played by Charles Durning) who broke the case and managed to bring them to jail. They have served nearly forty years in jail, and when released they are in for time shocks. After all, they were used to the world of 1946/47. While both are physically fit, both can't get out of their mental views from their youth.

On top of that, they have to deal with Durning, whose police career - after it's brilliant start - petered out leaving him embittered, and desperate to prove himself to the young pups who count the days until his enforced retirement. They have to deal with parole officer Dana Carvey, who has all the typical problems of a nice, naive parole officer. They have to deal with hostility around them from all peoples - mostly the young, but the middle aged are not much better. They resemble Reggie Kray, one time kingpin of London's largest criminal empire, who in his later years when interviewed pointed out to reporters that (while he did not dismiss his own use of violence against opponents in other gangs) he did dislike the lack of respect he observed towards older citizens. He and his brother Ronnie never stood for that kind of thing. Neither do Harry and Archie here. When threatened as easy, elderly targets by a gang of punks, they beat up the punks quite effectively.

To add to their woes is the most ridiculous, but scrupulous, hit-man in modern cinema: Leon B. Little (Eli Wallach - who almost walks off with the picture). Hired on a contract against the boys back in their heyday, their being in prison prevented the ever ready Little from completing their executions. Even the death of the idiot who hired him means nothing - he was paid already, and he has a code of honor with his clients.

That in the end, the battle of youth and old age unites Lancaster, Douglas, Wallach, and even Durning should not surprise anyone. All four manage to demonstrate that it is street smarts and brains, not youthful idealism (paging Carvey) that will win out in the end. The film has some nice moments, such as Douglas almost going in for dirty dancing with a young chippy, and Lancaster protesting the slop he has to eat in an old age home, and memorably showing his teeth to advantage for a purpose (for a change). It was a good conclusion to the long road of movies these two cinema giants made together - and a funny one too.
  • theowinthrop
  • 13 ago 2005
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7/10

Grumpy Old Gangsters.

  • mark.waltz
  • 15 ago 2022
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5/10

Lightweight vehicle for two ever-likable old pros. Nothing to get excited about, but nothing to dislike either.

  • barnabyrudge
  • 15 jun 2007
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8/10

The Terrible Tempered Twins Ride Again

Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas were inexorably linked not just by their co-starring films together, but by the fact that Hedda Hopper in one of her books did a chapter on both of them. She entitled the chapter, The Terrible Tempered Twins and she bemoaned the fact that these two instead of being good little captives of the studio system that kept her in business, had the audacity to chart their own careers. Go into the production end and take total responsibility for the work they did.

It would never have worked had not Lancaster and Douglas not been good judges of the roles they were best suited for. Some stars never wanted that kind of responsibility or felt they were poor judges. William Holden said point blank after one picture where he was the producer, the responsibility was too much for him. Robert Taylor was widely quoted that he stayed with MGM as long as he did because he felt they knew best how to present him and what were good film properties.

But Burt and Kirk knew their minds and made their own careers work. Fortunately before both of them in the Nineties were felled by illness and Lancaster left us, they gave us one more co-starring part.

This one's a comedy though, something different for them. As Harry Doyle and Archie Long two elderly crooks released after a thirty year stretch for robbing the West Coast Flyer train, they find roles perfectly suited to their age and personality.

Lancaster's old and he knows it, but he still wants to be treated with some dignity. Douglas hasn't quite figured it out yet, but in time he gets the fact that time's caught up with him. They just can't adjust to changing times so they try all kinds of things to fit in. And then they decide on one spectacular coda to their lives and careers in the wonderful world of crime.

The two men are in great form and they get some able support from Alexis Smith, Charles Durning and Dana Carvey in the supporting cast. But special comment must be made for Eli Wallach's seeing eye hit-man. Good thing his part is not as long as the stars because he steals every scene he's in.
  • bkoganbing
  • 18 dic 2005
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7/10

Two ex-cons find they don't fit in the senior circuit

This is a very lightweight comedy with a lightweight script. But, silly premises are OK for comedy like this. The big value to the film is in the actors it brings together – several in their senior years. Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas were two great actors who entertained millions of moviegoers since the mid-1940s. Here they play two convicts being released from prison after 30 years.

But times have changed and Harry Doyle (Lancaster) and Archie Long (Douglas) have more than a little difficulty adjusting. They don't quite fit in. Archie doesn't mind the society changes in the over- sexed gym manager he finds. Harry can't get used to the rudeness and lack of manners and respect he finds all around him. This is a move that should make people think about how our society has changed in some ways that are not for the better.

The film has a nice dose of action with some very funny encounters. Charles Durning adds to the humor as the detective (Deke Yablonski) who originally caught the two thieves after they pulled off the last train robbery in U.S. history. A number of other actors lend to the fun of this film. But one stands out – Eli Wallach as Leon Little. None of us know until the very end of the film why this guy has been gunning for the two ex-cons since the day they were released from prison. They don't even know who he is, so that revelation and the film ending are a real hoot.

This is a warm-hearted film with a lesson or two that modern folks might gain by. But, because it moves slowly it's not likely that many people of the Millennial generation would sit still for it.
  • SimonJack
  • 16 oct 2015
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4/10

Don't expect too much

  • gcd70
  • 6 ene 2008
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Tough act to follow, though weak plot

I wasn't disappointed when in 1986, Burt Lancaster announced on BBC's Wogan show that his new movie was going to star himself and his long time friend and frequent co-star Kirk Douglas. Since their first pairing in the brilliant noir thriller 'I Walk Alone' (1947), Lancaster and Douglas had made several appearances together. Who can forget Lancaster's tough talking Wyatt Earp and Douglas's equally tough yet terminally ill Doc Holliday in 'Gunfight at the OK Corral'?

So now it was the mid 80's, the age of the pepsi generation, I wondered how these two consistent stars would adapt to staring together again for the first time since the 60's. The answer is brilliant.

Harry Doyle (Lancaster), and Archie Long (Douglas) are released from prison after a 30 years sentence after being caught dead bang robbing a train. Eager to make a clean sweep, the two senior citizens, are looking forward to starting their new legitimate lives. However, all is not as they had hoped on the outside, and Harry and Archie have problems coming to terms with the way the world has changed. Director Kanew gives us a new genre here. Instead of the 'fish out of water' scenario, we have the 'two fishes that have been put back in the water after a severely long time' genre. However, Kanew also gives the audience the inevitable Clichés that go with it, and is always ready to fall back on a youth versus experience incident just about everytime the movie gets enjoyable. After being humiliated, patronised, and generally treated like dirt for the better part of a week, The two ageing gangsters decide that a life of crime has to be better then honest work, and predictably they revert to their previous careers as train robbers.

The film is enjoyable there's no escaping it, but there are more holes in the plot than there are in a grannies cardigan, and is also SOoooo predictable in fact the films outcome is more predictable than the outcome of a fight betwix elephant and duck. First of all to get 30 years simply for robbing a train, seems a bit excessive for the viewer to even find it believable. Co-incidentally the day the get out of prison is 1 week before the train they were caught robbing is making it's farewell run.

This aside the film IS enjoyable, and Lancaster and Douglas play their parts wonderfully and you enjoy the film more for their presence. Other cast members also rate highly, Eli Wallach is by far the funniest character, and his wonderful performance in some ways steals the film from it's intended stars. and the devine Alexis Smith makes a small cameo as Lancaster's ex lover. Charles Durning is unfortunately once again typecast as the over-weight lazy flatfoot (ala Dog Day Afternoon/The Sting) and although his performances are always good, you get tired pretty quickly of his tough talking patronising character. and finally there is (Pre Wayne's World) Dana Carvey as the Youthful Idealistic Parole Officer, but it's a shame that Carvey is restricted to playing pretty much a straight character, especially considering he is probably one of the funniest men working in Hollywood today.

Tough Guys should have been better, but I feel Kanew spent most of the budget on getting the perfect Sterling cast, rather than to hire a good script writer. Worth watching for the final appearance on-screen of this top notch duo. Since Lancaster's Death in 1994, I've warmed to this movie more knowing it could never happen again. It's just a shame it wasn't better as it could have been much better.
  • MartynGryphon
  • 4 jul 2004
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6/10

I'm Peter Pan. I've come to take you to Never-Never Land, okay? But you won't be comin' back!

Tough Guys is directed by Jeff Kanew and written by James Orr and Jim Cruickshank. It stars Burt Lancaster, Kirk Douglas, Charles Durning, Eli Wallach, Dana Carvey, Darlanne Fluegel, Alexis Smith and Monty Ash. Music is by James Newton Howard and cinematography is by King Baggot.

Two elderly gangsters are released from prison only to find they have trouble fitting in as old men in a world that has changed considerably - but they still aren't going to take no crap from anyone!

"Couldn't take it anymore. People treating me like dirt ever since I got out of jail. Sweeping out toilets, scraping crud off dishes, my girlfriend tryin' to kill me with sex - and I'm dressing like Bozo the Clown, just to fit in! I don't want to fit in anymore"

You have to know the actors on show to fully get the glint they have in their eyes, Douglas, Lancaster and Wallach are having a grand time of things. As they exude machismo and world weary knowing in old bodies, turning quips and exasperation into a filmic art form, there's much fun mined out of this particular fish out of water piece.

It's all very nostalgic and fanciful of course, and some of the more weightier themes such as treatment of senior citizens struggles to make a bigger mark, but it is charming. How can you not like the good old boys turning the tables on would be muggers and robbers? Rejoice as myopic hitman Wallach tries to enact a "hit" he was hired to do 30 years earlier!

Maybe better use could have been made of the talent on show? Maybe? But this is no disaster and fans of the stars can get much from watching these good old boys go about entertaining for our pleasure. 6/10
  • hitchcockthelegend
  • 29 ago 2019
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6/10

old guys reunion

Harry Doyle (Burt Lancaster) and Archie Long (Kirk Douglas) are old gangsters who were sentenced together to 30 years in prison for a famous train robbery of The Gold Coast Flyer. They are the last train robbers and The Gold Coast Flyer is set to retire. They are released and ready to collect Social Security. Their parole officer Richie Evans (Dana Carvey) is an eager fan. Leon B. Little (Eli Wallach) is a Mr. Magoo assassin taking shots after waiting for 30 years to fulfill his contract. Harry insists on the straight and narrow. He even stops a bank robbery but is forced into a retirement home where he reconnects with Belle (Alexis Smith). The guys are forbidden to see each other for 3 years. Archie gets a job at a ice cream parlor and starts dating Skye (Darlanne Fluegel). Sgt Deke Yablonski (Charles Durning) arrested the guys in the first place but is now reduced to doing payroll. He is sure that the guys are up to no good and is willing to push them.

It's great to have these old timers. They have good chemistry together. They are forced to be apart which doesn't help. The comedy around them is a little cheesy. The movie overplays the fish out of water theme. The movie world is done very broadly. Despite various little problems, these two veterans pull the movie through with their charisma.
  • SnoopyStyle
  • 11 ene 2017
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7/10

could have been better

At times a funny comedy about 2 train robbers who are both released after 30 years in prison.

Society has changed a bit in the meantime, and both have some problems adjusting with it in their own way, Harry wants to take it a bit easier and Archie appears to be still very popular with the younger ladies.

In the meantime, a hitman is after them both, who is a bit short-sighted and a cop who is obsessed with them.

They are the few nice supporting roles that are original and make the film a bit funnier, yet the potential that is in it is not reached, it seemed as if Douglas and Lancaster were acting a bit uninspired.

But otherwise there is plenty to enjoy, the film certainly has its charm.
  • petersjoelen
  • 22 nov 2024
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2/10

Old Men Complaining About the Good Ol' Days

Two train robbers are released from prison after 30 years of hard time. They emerge to a new world; a world where every man is gay and a young nymphomaniac has to be satisfied by a 67-year-old man, the clothing styles are obnoxious, and everybody under the age of 65 is a jerk. I don't know if they were simply depicting 1986 Los Angeles or the society in general at that time. Either way it was a horribly slanted depiction.

Naturally, the two protagonists were the picture of sanity in an insane world. They dressed better, had better manners, and were overall tougher than all the young punks.

This very unamusing movie was nothing more than two old men ranting about how things used to be. The only thing funny about the matter is that now we're over 30 years removed from 1986 and I'm sure there are some old curmudgeons who've just exited prison (or maybe not) and are complaining how things today aren't like they used to be in the 80's. No, they're not and thank God.
  • view_and_review
  • 5 nov 2019
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10/10

Nostalgia rules okay?

This is one of my favourite films. I've watched it many times and what's more my grand-daughters enjoy it too, and they don't even know the two stars like I do.

It's funny, with a good pacey script. It has something to make you think about - getting older, not fitting in and being a geriatric rebel. It's got action, a bank robbery , a fist fight with some great dialogue. It's got comedy (see Kirk trying on "hot" clothes taking advice from a CCTV shop assistant) and also it has some touching scenes of Burt in the old people's home, where he's forced to live.

The supporting cast has class - Eli Wallach, Dana Carvey, Charles Durning and Alexis Smith. And to top it all there's a terrific train chase finale. Besides which Burt and Kirk were made for this film. It brought back a lot of good memories for me and I can thoroughly recommend it. Enjoy, as they say....
  • Viv-1
  • 5 jul 2001
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6/10

Burt Lancaster's last team up with Kirk Douglas.

A movie that is sort of funny and sort of not. Two bad guys just arrived out of jail and as they did, they really don't know even what had happened to them as well. Meanwhile, cops are on the loose when those two friends try to steal a railroad for some reason. They also meet another bad guy who wants to kill both of them as well. When you read this story, you might be interested or you might not from being bored of what you read. If you're a fan of Burt Lancaster or Kirk Douglas, you may at least be interested in this film unless you've never heard of them or they're not your favorite actors.
  • MJB784
  • 31 may 2024
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5/10

I Was Terribly Disappointed

I saw this in the theater when it was first run. I had heard-tell of a Lancaster-Douglas pairing and I was excited about seeing it. I had been a fan of both actors, especially Burt Lancaster. It was a dud. Now over 30 years later I still recall the disappointment. I can't tell you specifically what went wrong. Maybe it was a little of everything. The action between the two stars seemed stilted. The film was halfway between funny, and an action movie, and consequently it was neither. Why couldn't it have been just a little like the Redford/Newman pairing of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid except with older guys and in modern times? That could have worked. Too late now.
  • Mike_Yike
  • 29 abr 2019
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8/10

80's classic

Tough Guys is the 7th and final film legendary actors Kirk Douglas and Burt Lancaster made together . They play Harry Doyle ( Lancaster ) and Archie Long ( Douglas ) , the last American train robbers who just finished a 30 year prison sentence. A lot has changed since the 1950's as they attempt to adjust to civilian life in 1980's Los Angeles.Tough Guys as a film holds up real well due to the great chemistry of Lancaster and Douglas .Eli Wallach nearly steals the show as an aging hit-man who 's waited 30 years to kill Doyle and Long .Charles Durning and Dana Carvie are great as well in this fast paced ,nostalgic action comedy . Also check out an early performance from The Red Hot Chili Peppers before they blew up and were still part of the LA punk scene. Tough Guys is still funny and is easily one of the most overlooked comedies to come out in the late 80's . Definitely needs a US DVD release as my VHS tape won't last forever.Tough Guys is a great comedy classic that should satisfy fans of the 80's.
  • dworldeater
  • 18 dic 2012
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6/10

A Film Better Left Unmade - Tough Guys

I always enjoy watching great actors like Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas do their stuff on the big screen. And I have to say, Kirk is in great shape for his age (or any age). But Burt looked a bit fragile to me, as he was obviously getting too old for tough guy films. He should have quit while he was ahead in Atlantic City. The script is pretty silly, and not the least bit believable. Durning was pretty good, and Eli Wallach gives it the old college try, but the script and storyline are just so weak, even these four great professionals couldnt save it. Dana Garvey is miscast as the parole officer, and the rest of the cast are merely stereotypes. A bit sad to watch, but also entertaining at times, as well.
  • arthur_tafero
  • 9 feb 2022
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1/10

What were they thinking?

With two Hollywood legends headlining the cast, it would be a reasonable expectation to see a great movie in Tough Guys. But don't be misled, this is a boorish, humorless film with a vacuous script. It is sad these two superstars agreed to appear in this picture, such a waste of talent!

The story line could actually have been very good with better development and less absurdity but the writers apparently lost those ideas and based the movie's success on the two stars (watching one of the men try on ridiculous clothing was painful). One last note is the writers' obligation to include Hollywood's sexualization and objectification of women by failing to create more than one mature, realistic female part. Move on and find some of these two greats' earlier successes to enjoy.
  • kadi-70509
  • 31 jul 2022
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